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Old 09-20-2007, 11:10 AM
DDBeast DDBeast is offline
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Default Super Tues AK v. Premier

I think premier's a little on the nitty side. What do you think his range is calling out of the BB here?

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t1200 with t120 antes (7 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t19396)
UTG+1 (t31639)
MP1 (t16294)
CO (t57656)
Button (t27854)
SB (t23128)
BB (t18759)

Preflop: Hero is in UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="red">Hero raises to t3000</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, BB calls t1800

Flop: (t7440) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero ...
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Old 09-20-2007, 11:36 AM
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Default Re: Super Tues AK v. Premier

shove PF
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Old 09-20-2007, 11:43 AM
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Default Re: Super Tues AK v. Premier

range: pp and suited facecards
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Old 09-20-2007, 12:04 PM
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Default Re: Super Tues AK v. Premier

w/ the antes i just shove pre =/
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Old 09-20-2007, 12:05 PM
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Default Re: Super Tues AK v. Premier

I really dislike shoving preflop

I check behind now
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Old 09-20-2007, 12:09 PM
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Default Re: Super Tues AK v. Premier

i think in order to raise to 3k in this tournament from that position with AK, you have to be willing to also make this raise with a BelowAb0ve-like range of holdings. Otherwise your raise size is mega-exploitable.

I'm not "that guy" so I shove.
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Old 09-20-2007, 12:50 PM
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Default Re: Super Tues AK v. Premier

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I really dislike winning money

I check behind now

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Old 09-22-2007, 02:25 PM
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Default Re: Super Tues AK v. Premier

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I really dislike shoving preflop

I BET THE FLOP NOW

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Old 09-20-2007, 01:17 PM
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Default Re: Super Tues AK v. Premier

shoving is stupid because you aren't shoving your big pairs.

I would check behind because we are getting check/raised a ton since this is a good flop for his range, which I'd say is something like 88+,AJs+,AQo+,KQs
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Old 09-20-2007, 06:28 PM
bobneptune bobneptune is offline
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Default Re: Super Tues AK v. Premier

this hand is obviously above my pay grade, but may i present a contrary pov.

our stack is short, yet still we have re stealing in our holster. 5 of the 6 remaining stacks can be severely damaged by us. that being said:

raising to 3k is problematic as described by the hand itself. you are giving the bb 3-1 to call, and you will whiff the flop 67% of the time and be in a real pickle. if you fold after raising, 2 hands from now your ability to re steal will be marginal, at best.

shoving is clearly ok. since most of the stacks are similar calling ranges of AK's shove should be something like TT+, AK+, AQs+. that's like 4% of hands , so 76% of the time we pick up 2640 uncontested, which is nice.....but is it optimal ??? with M&lt;7 shouldn't we be looking to play a big pot pre flop w/ AK ???

doubling up to 42k gives us the added ability to steal with impunity. what about limping utg ???

if we limp, 2 things can happen. we may get other callers
or we may get raised. if we get a bunch of callers and a multiway pot, we can evaluate the flop and not feel the need to continue if we don't like it. we have saved 10% of our stack this way.

if we get raised or shoved (how many times have you seen a limper get re raised with these stack sizes) we instacall/shove and are happy as a pig in poop
to play for all our chips w/AK.

i know limping is for pansies, but in this case, does it give us the best chance to get what we want ???
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