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Old 05-16-2007, 11:01 PM
Lego05 Lego05 is offline
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Default 50NL; TT getting played back at on 2JJ flop

Villian is 31.11/20/2.38 over 45 hands.

Turn move and river plan if not a fold please.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($54.10)
CO ($50)
Button ($108.20)
SB ($80)
BB ($58.35)
UTG ($60.70)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, CO calls $2, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($4.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $9</font>, Hero calls $6.

Turn: ($22.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $15</font>, Hero ???
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Old 05-17-2007, 12:11 AM
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Default Re: 50NL; TT getting played back at on 2JJ flop

The call preflop tells me the CO most likely played AJ maybe QJ suited. Maybe even as loose as TJ suited. The only way to have really found that out was to either check raise after the flop (betting 3.00 doesnt get much info. It Looks like a continuation bet) or reraise him after the flop. You can usually get away a lot cheaper with the check raise. If you get played back at then I'd fold. Since he's either a loon or has the nuts. I'd say the odds are 8/2 nuts/bluff.. Move on
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Old 05-17-2007, 12:37 PM
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Default Re: 50NL; TT getting played back at on 2JJ flop

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The call preflop tells me the CO most likely played AJ maybe QJ suited. Maybe even as loose as TJ suited. The only way to have really found that out was to either check raise after the flop (betting 3.00 doesnt get much info. It Looks like a continuation bet) or reraise him after the flop. You can usually get away a lot cheaper with the check raise. If you get played back at then I'd fold. Since he's either a loon or has the nuts. I'd say the odds are 8/2 nuts/bluff.. Move on

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May call as loose as JT suited? who the hell doesn't call JT suited? I think check raise flop is horrible as is 3betting the flop.

OP, your line is fine. Just fold the turn.
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Old 05-17-2007, 03:38 PM
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Default Re: 50NL; TT getting played back at on 2JJ flop

Maybe I shouldnt have put it quite that way "loose as JT suited" but JTs calling a 4x raise on a .25/.50 table? Only thing going for it is position. Initial raiser could easily have AJ KJ or even QJ. Then whatya do with that flop, except lose all your money? If I'm putting in 2.00 at a 50.00 table it sure wont be to call with a weak hand. GL
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Old 05-17-2007, 04:00 PM
Abramovic Abramovic is offline
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Default Re: 50NL; TT getting played back at on 2JJ flop

I think folding to flop raise is weak, particularly with the way the games are playing these days.

jdefoe, why would you pot this flop? I think that's spewy.

Without decent history I think you have to fold turn.
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Old 05-17-2007, 12:23 AM
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Default Re: 50NL; TT getting played back at on 2JJ flop

I think this is fine until the turn, I would just go ahead and fold there. You're going to face a decision on the river you're really unhappy with if you call this bet - just lousy reverse implied odds unless you have a good read that he'll make these kind of moves at paired boards.
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Old 05-17-2007, 12:32 PM
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Default Re: 50NL; TT getting played back at on 2JJ flop

Bump.
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Old 05-17-2007, 12:35 PM
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Default Re: 50NL; TT getting played back at on 2JJ flop

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Bump.

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Fold.
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Old 05-17-2007, 12:38 PM
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Default Re: 50NL; TT getting played back at on 2JJ flop

Are we really putting him squarely on a J here? Most people won't play so aggressively if they have a J on this board, right? People will try to slowplay their trips.
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Old 05-17-2007, 12:58 PM
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Default Re: 50NL; TT getting played back at on 2JJ flop

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Are we really putting him squarely on a J here? Most people won't play so aggressively if they have a J on this board, right? People will try to slowplay their trips.

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Yeah there are plenty of aggrodonks out there who will take this line with any two cards. However, this villain doesn´t seem to be loose enough pf or aggro enough to fit that description. Usually this kind of player take one shot at the pot and slows down on the turn if he is called.
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