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Old 09-30-2007, 07:02 PM
Pocketbear Pocketbear is offline
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Default ($24) My first stop & go. Wrong spot?

The villain is somewhat loose and might not have a clear idea what he's doing.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t150/t300
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t2350
UTG+1: t1700
CO: t3200
Button: t3055
Hero: t1525
BB: t1670

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to t700</font>, Button folds, Hero calls t550 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t1150)</font>, BB folds.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t1700, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero is all-in t825</font>...
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Old 09-30-2007, 07:11 PM
J-P J-P is offline
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Default Re: ($24) My first stop & go. Wrong spot?

Seems fine, I like it a lot better if you're in the BB tho.
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Old 09-30-2007, 07:14 PM
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Default Re: ($24) My first stop & go. Wrong spot?

Did you decide preflop to push on flop no matter what, or if texture of flop looks like it misses a raise (no A/K)?

Given the texture of the flop, I think this might be a bad play. Villain will be calling with any overpair, and do you really want him to fold an unimproved AQ or AK when he would likely C-Bet with position?
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Old 09-30-2007, 07:21 PM
Scotty_12 Scotty_12 is offline
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Default Re: ($24) My first stop & go. Wrong spot?

I rate this as 'decent' ... you can muck here and have 4 different shots to get it in first with your last FE, I think this is a little FPS-y without a read that CO is raising wide, or laying down a whiffed AJ for 3-1 on the flop ... not to mention the pairs that are crushing you already
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Old 09-30-2007, 07:27 PM
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Default Re: ($24) My first stop & go. Wrong spot?

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you can muck here and have 4 different shots to get it in first with your last FE

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Wouldn't I be better off just folding it PF then? Cause if you think this play is 'decent', what flop would you consider as being good for it? 226r? A35r? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 09-30-2007, 07:29 PM
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Default Re: ($24) My first stop & go. Wrong spot?

If you decide to stop&amp;go here, flop doesn't really matter since there is already so much money in the pot.
I like it.
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Old 09-30-2007, 09:13 PM
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Default Re: ($24) My first stop & go. Wrong spot?

I don't understand why you don't just push preflop. I can't see a loose player folding much if anything on that flop.
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Old 10-01-2007, 05:47 AM
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Default Re: ($24) My first stop & go. Wrong spot?

I like folding preflop.
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Old 10-01-2007, 06:03 AM
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Default Re: ($24) My first stop & go. Wrong spot?

I prefer push preflop/fold preflop. I would call you with a weak flush draw on this flop (and this pot). Even with two overcards.
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Old 10-01-2007, 08:33 AM
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Default Re: ($24) My first stop & go. Wrong spot?

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I prefer push preflop/fold preflop. I would call you with a weak flush draw on this flop (and this pot). Even with two overcards.

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This is much better than pushing preflop. If you push, there is no chance to fold out anything. By calling and then shoving on any flop, you may push out a bigger pair should overcards flop or deny someone with overcards the chance to see a full board against you, especially someone who has two overcards to your pair, but not two overcards to the board.

That said, I prefer to stop-and-go out of the BB instead of the SB since I get to close the action and know that the pot will definately be heads up. If the BB cals or shoves behind your preflop call, its a really aweful spot for you.

I'm a big fan of the stop and go when the right situation presents, but it may be a bit FPS for a 24 where most players who would make that preflop raise have a calling range of 100% of their raising hands on 100% of flops
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