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11-06-2007, 08:50 PM
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Set mine w/ 88 in position?
Here's a common situation I'm unsure how to handle. Villain is 17/14/3.25 over 230 hands. I haven't noticed whether he 3-bets light or not, but I've been opening a lot preflop.
Do you set mine here? Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players LeggoPoker Hand History Converter Hero (CO): $99.50 BTN: $136.10 SB: $193.85 BB: $74.40 UTG: $129.60 Pre-Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO) UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $12</font>, BB folds, Hero ???? 
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#2
11-06-2007, 08:50 PM
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Re: Set mine w/ 88 in position?
you can play on some flops where you don't hit sets too
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#4
11-06-2007, 08:58 PM
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Re: Set mine w/ 88 in position?
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[ QUOTE ] you can play on some flops where you don't hit sets too [/ QUOTE ] so I guess you're gonna float good flops? Which ones are good for floating? [/ QUOTE ] Are you sure you understand what "float" means? If you flop an overpair and call/raise the c-bet, for example, you aren't floating.
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#5
11-06-2007, 09:33 PM
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Re: Set mine w/ 88 in position?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] you can play on some flops where you don't hit sets too [/ QUOTE ] so I guess you're gonna float good flops? Which ones are good for floating? [/ QUOTE ] Are you sure you understand what "float" means? If you flop an overpair and call/raise the c-bet, for example, you aren't floating. [/ QUOTE ] I have no read on his 3-bet so I assume his range is weighted towards higher pairs (ok assumption?). So in my mind, it would be a float to see if he shuts down on the turn. Anyway, you know what I mean and this isn't a forum to argue semantics.
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#6
11-06-2007, 09:34 PM
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Re: Set mine w/ 88 in position?
It depends entirely on your ability to play postflop.
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#7
11-06-2007, 09:38 PM
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Re: Set mine w/ 88 in position?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] you can play on some flops where you don't hit sets too [/ QUOTE ] so I guess you're gonna float good flops? Which ones are good for floating? [/ QUOTE ] Are you sure you understand what "float" means? If you flop an overpair and call/raise the c-bet, for example, you aren't floating. [/ QUOTE ] when i asked about good flops to float i expected the answer to include at least a couple which contained and overcard.
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#10
11-07-2007, 03:19 PM
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Re: Set mine w/ 88 in position?
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Here's a common situation I'm unsure how to handle. Villain is 17/14/3.25 over 230 hands. I haven't noticed whether he 3-bets light or not, but I've been opening a lot preflop. Do you set mine here? Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players LeggoPoker Hand History Converter Hero (CO): $99.50 BTN: $136.10 SB: $193.85 BB: $74.40 UTG: $129.60 Pre-Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO) UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $12</font>, BB folds, Hero ???? [/ QUOTE ] Here is how I think it works, X + P >= coC X=Amount needed for +EV P=Pot co=Coefficient for set mining including set vs set, 9.5 C=Call X + (BB + SB + Raise + Re-raise) >= 9.5(Call) X + (1 + .5 + 3.5 + 11.5) >= 9.5(12-3.5) X + 16.5 >= 9.5(8.5) X >= 80.75 - 16.5 X >= 64.25 SV=Stack Villain SH=Stack Hero FP=Flop Pot, 25 If SV and SH are both >= X, you can call. Whether or not you can achieve X is based off of the FP and the increments you, or your opponent, bets in. Judging from the PFP, I think you can get your money by the turn or at least by the river depending on your line. Just re-raising the flops gets you close, floating and then re-raising or betting the turn would exceed X against most villains. If set mining is -EV, then you have to consider folding, 4Betting or All In. If you assume he doesn't have to be on a higher PP, then you should call and Re-raise his CBet.
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