30r ftp v.s. SCTrojans

[radiihead]

Just into the freezeout portion of the rebuy, I've played with SC a couple times before, not sure if he remembers, if he does then he should have me pegged as a std TAG. I was really close to checking behind on the flop, but now that hes check raised me what do I do?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $60/$120
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $3670
UTG+1: $15655
MP1: $12415
Hero: $8223
CO: $2160
Button: $4310
SB: $8500
BB: $13360

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is MP2 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $360</font>, 2 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($840, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $550</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $1400</font>, Hero ?

[radiihead]

bump?

[shaundeeb]

fold. You have a bluff catcher thats all. I fold this PF A9s sure fine open flop usually check behind and call both bets.

[supair]

I dont know sc or anything about his style but I might venture a call here being as deep as we are and evaluate, unless your reads make you sure hes going to lead the turn, which we just couldnt really call. I think a lot of aggressive players would make this CR play here with this kind of flop, as it puts you in a terrible spot unless you have exactly AJ+, JJ,AA,66.

From his point of view your range here could be quite extensive, and youd c/bet a lot of hands that a check raise would fold.

Bit spewy maybe?

[radiihead]

how good of a kicker do we need to continue with this hand after his check raise on the flop?? Obv AJ we're not folding but AQ, AK what would your line be for the rest of the hand? I'm fairly sure we're ditching AT as well...

say we call the raise on the flop with AK, AQ and the turn bricks and he leads out 2200

hero?

[kniper]

checking flop is a good alternative imo. you guys are deep and you have a very marginal hand, and the board is not that scary. i think you can catch a lot of bluffs here or j-x type hands on the turn

as played, fold. i would think on this fairly dry board you were betting for information anyway no?

[Coz]

Do you c-bet alot? The first thing that came to my mind is if he called with a hand like KJ, or QJ, and knew you would c-bet almost any flop. He could have a very strong hand like AJ, or AK, or AQ, however, I don't think he would have re-raised you there because flop is a rainbow. I have never played with him before but I am thinking he has got a weak hand or a hand that you can push him off. I think his check-raise symbolizes weakness as opposed to strength and would probably come over the top.

[aholthaus33]

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Do you c-bet alot? The first thing that came to my mind is if he called with a hand like KJ, or QJ, and knew you would c-bet almost any flop. He could have a very strong hand like AJ, or AK, or AQ, however, I don't think he would have re-raised you there because flop is a rainbow. I have never played with him before but I am thinking he has got a weak hand or a hand that you can push him off. I think his check-raise symbolizes weakness as opposed to strength and would probably come over the top.

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This very well could be the case, and some times it is for sure. I can understand why in this case hero did not want to go to the felt and get shown AJ though as well.

[ZJ123]

I check behind here a lot. But yeah as played just Fold flop and def. Turn.

[Dunkman]

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Do you c-bet alot? The first thing that came to my mind is if he called with a hand like KJ, or QJ, and knew you would c-bet almost any flop. He could have a very strong hand like AJ, or AK, or AQ, however, I don't think he would have re-raised you there because flop is a rainbow. I have never played with him before but I am thinking he has got a weak hand or a hand that you can push him off. I think his check-raise symbolizes weakness as opposed to strength and would probably come over the top.

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Do you stack off with TPNK a lot?

I mean seriously this is a fold. Even if he is making a move, we're pretty deep, and there's no way we're calling the second barrel on the turn (I hope, please no one advocate just calling off our whole stack here.) If villain has decided to make a move (and it's a pretty common move) the turn bet is required. 3-betting the flop is even worse, I mean it's pretty much all-in if we go, and that's just horrible spew.

Also, more likely than a bluff or middle pair, he flopped a big hand, say with AJ, and puts you on AQ AK type hand, and wants to get you to stack off the whole 8k on this hand. However, he has to put in a raise somewhere to get all the money in by the river without totally spooking you, and the flop is the best place for that since it doesn't indicate as much strength as doing it later. Also, his line at least picks up a cbet from you if you have nothing, so it's a very good way to play a big hand in this spot.

I mean think about it, you call a PFR in middle position from the blinds and the flop comes A high, and you don't have one. Is your first thought really that it's a good spot to make a move? I'm usually thinking A hands are a big part of his range and there's no reason for me to get cute here. Also, if he doesn't have an A, he may just check it back to me fearing a c/r.