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07-21-2007, 08:41 AM
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You make the call
1/2 NL game three players in the pot. We are on the river, there is around $70 in the pot with three players in. The board reads A-8-6-6-3 (suits not important).
Player A baets $30, player B calls and player C raises to $70, player A calls and while B is thinking, C reveals his hand thinking the action is complete. He immediately realises his mistake and turns them face down. Floor is called and the dealer explains him the situation. Player B who did not see the cards wants to see them now but floor rules that he may not, as he has only $40 left he is closing the action and player A did not have the extra information either when making the call. So far a very good decission by the floor in my opinion, but now comes the hard part. Player A tells B: "you can fold, he has J-6" and one other player at the table confirms this. Player B now mucks his 6-2 face up. Showdown: C has J-8, not J-6 and A shows A-T. Who gets the pot and why? 
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#2
07-21-2007, 08:48 AM
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Re: You make the call
Player A gets the pot because he had the best hand at showdown. Player A also gets invited to leave the poker room (not because he he lied, but because he shouldn't have said anything at all)
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#3
07-21-2007, 09:52 AM
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Re: You make the call
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Player A gets the pot because he had the best hand at showdown. Player A also gets invited to leave the poker room (not because he he lied, but because he shouldn't have said anything at all) [/ QUOTE ] This sounds correct to me. Player A angleshot, and won. It sucks, but Player B did not call the bet- and mucked his cards. /Player A does need to have his ass/karma kicked. FWIW.
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#4
07-21-2007, 10:10 AM
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Re: You make the call
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Player A gets the pot because he had the best hand at showdown. Player A also gets invited to leave the poker room (not because he he lied, but because he shouldn't have said anything at all) [/ QUOTE ] Almost forgot -- he can take his buddy who "confirmed" the hand with him on the way out.
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#5
07-21-2007, 10:02 AM
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Re: You make the call
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Player A tells B: "you can fold, he has J-6" but does not muck his own 'losing' AT [/ QUOTE ]
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#7
07-22-2007, 07:12 PM
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Re: You make the call
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Player A tells B: "you can fold, he has J-6" but does not muck his own 'losing' AT [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Irrelevant...A called BEFORE the cards were exposed. [/ QUOTE ] Its irrelevant to the issue of who gets the pot and who gets thrown out, but the point the poster was making is two fold: This is a clue that the player was lying since if he was telling the truth he could have just tossed away his hand. Its also a clue that the player acted intentionally, and wasn't just mistaken.
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#8
07-22-2007, 07:38 PM
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Re: You make the call
Okay - first off I am surprised that you are all so quick to jump on the players that said J6 versus J8 considering how similar the two hands can look at a glance...
Since the guy apparently covered the cards up quickly enough that the third guy never saw them I think it is also safe to assume that the 2 who "outed" his hand didn't get the best look at them either. Just because the player with A-T didn't muck his hand doesn't mean he didn't actually think he was beat - not everyone is an uptight nit who has a problem showing down top 2 pair despite the fact that it is beat you know?
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#9
07-22-2007, 07:53 PM
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Re: You make the call
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Just because the player with A-T didn't muck his hand doesn't mean he didn't actually think he was beat - not everyone is an uptight nit who has a problem showing down top 2 pair despite the fact that it is beat you know? [/ QUOTE ] I said it was a clue that that he was lying, not definitive evidence. But if I'm a player deciding what to do I definately am going to think to myself the following: "Well he says the player had J-6 but he he is still holding onto his hand. That suggests two things either he can beat J-6 or he isn't telling the truth. If he can beat J-6 then he wouldn't tell me that the player had J-6 since that would possibly cost him a call from me, so therefore its likely that he is lying" Maybe he's not lying but I have to credit to the strong likelihood that he is.
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