UTG standards...with warm legs...

[pegboy]

It's hot out so the kid and I are headin' out to buy me some short pants. How's about a few opinions while we spend...

You're UTG and the 3 players to your left are tightish. The blinds are loosish. Do you come in raising with..

1. AJ ?
2. KQs ?
3. 66 ?
4. A9s ?
5. AT ?
6. KJs ?
7. A8s ?
8. KTs ?
9. KQ ?
10. A7s ?
11. A9 ?
12. KJ ?
13. 55 ?
14. QJs ?
15. K9s ?

By the way this is not a random list. It is specifically ordered according to...

[aargh57]

Unless the guys to my right are very loose (and I mean looser than 45VPIP) I switch tables. But if they are nice and loose I raise all of these except K9s.

[secretprankster]

Probably raise all, K9s and 55 could easily be tossed though.

[kaby]

If they're really tight (like 20/13) I raise everything here. If they adjusted/play a bit more hands pbb raise all but 55(66), A9, A7s and K9s

[Oink]

Folding any of these hands in any game that doesnt have a sick rake structure is pissing away money.

[yourface]

I wouldn't raise 55 A9 A7s or K9s

6 handed is for nits though

[secretprankster]

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Folding any of these hands in any game that doesnt have a sick rake structure is pissing away money.

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No it's not.

[Oink]

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Folding any of these hands in any game that doesnt have a sick rake structure is pissing away money.

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No it's not.

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Yes it is and its not up for debate. If you cant extract value from those hands UTG you either suck at poker, pay too much rake or have bad seat/table selection.

[sharpie]

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Folding any of these hands in any game that doesnt have a sick rake structure is pissing away money.

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I disagree. I believe the tweener hands such as K9s and A9 are profitable in some games, and unprofitable in others. In a vacuum I'd say always opening A9o or K9s UTG in every game is slightly -EV, although I don't have enough hands in PT to back this up. If it is -EV in a vacuum, whether the EV lost is made up for by the laggier image it portrays is debatable.

Not trying to be a nit, I'm just wondering if I'm wrong and am too tight UTG. Do you think hands like A9o are profitable in a vacuum, or do you think the "shania" makes it profitable?

[yourface]

I don't think any of us have enough of a sample size to know for sure. well, maybe sethy does [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img].

fwiw I don't think it really matters whether your UTG cutoff is A9o vs ATo, A7s vs A8s, K9s vs KTs, etc. saying that it's pissing away money seems like an overstatement since these are such marginal hands in this position that it can't be very + or - EV in either direction.