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Two pair on a draw heavy board
Villian is relatively unknown. Given that so many people go hyper-spaz in position with flush draws, and I can easily fold to a turn three-bet, is this line reasonable?
PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks. Flop: (3 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, MP folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB caps</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (5.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero folds. Final Pot: 9.50 BB |
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Re: Top two pair on a draw heavy board
Holy god why would you do this. Wrong HH, btw? You just have one pair.
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Re: Top two pair on a draw heavy board
[ QUOTE ]
Holy god why would you do this. Wrong HH, btw? You just have one pair. [/ QUOTE ] 8s and 2s is two pair. |
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Re: Top two pair on a draw heavy board
just call down from the flop raise. Its BvB. He could have anything, but people rarely take free cards.
your line is pretty awful. You created a huge pot, with a hand that could be huge, in a situation where villain might spazz and bluff, and then you folded. I b/c the flop, c/c the turn, and c/c most rivers sometimes even the 4th diamond depending on villain. |
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Re: Top two pair on a draw heavy board
"I can easily fold to a turn three-bet"
you have 4 outs vs. flushes LOL getting NINE POINT FIVE TO ONE. |
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Re: Top two pair on a draw heavy board
Sorry Brass. But this hand is terrible.
You are bloating the pot and then you fold getting decent odds + implied to peel for your boat outs If I bet the flop I just call a raise. If I want to jam my hand more I will then look to raise a non diamond turn. Not sure I will ever do that tho |
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Re: Top two pair on a draw heavy board
At first I thought that calling down from the flop raise was a little weak, but I'm starting to think thats a good play here. As pizzle said, if villain raised just a flush draw on the flop he's almost never taking a free card on the turn, and he'll probably bet the river UI when checked to try to fold out other flush draws. If I took this line I would get to showdown no matter what the board looked like by the river.
My first instinct was to threebet the flop like you did and just check/call the turn and river after he caps. I like this line too, but I'm not sure what to do if a diamond falls on the turn or river. So I like bet/call, check/call, check/call as well. |
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Re: Top two pair on a draw heavy board
uh, no. If people go hyperspazzy with flush draws then why would you take a line that pumps a ton of money in and then folds before the flush comes in? I'm not saying it was a bad fold to the 3-b, just that you didn't have anywhere near the equity to jam the turn.
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Re: Two pair on a draw heavy board
I would call the flop raise and not put in any more raises unless I improved. This is a small pot. You want to encourage people to bluff and it really doesn't matter if he takes a free card.
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Re: Two pair on a draw heavy board
I certainly doesn´t like the turn fold.But I think the biggest mistake is to checkraise turn getting yourself into bloating a pot with a hand that really doesn´t warrant it IMO.He is liking his hand on flop enough to cap it.If you promptly want to put in more bets then donk turn
The turn fold is not a huge mistake EV-wise because sometimes you are drawing to 2 or 3 outs.But metagame wise it is a disaster. |
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