weak play folding top set? NL50

rapsu · #1 02-26-2007, 11:37 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($60.75)
BB ($41.05)
Hero ($59.10)
Button ($5.35)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $2, Button calls $2, 1 fold, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($6.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, Button folds, BB calls $4.

Turn: ($14.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $11, BB raises to $22, Hero calls $11.

River: ($58.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $13.05 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $71.30

I was pretty sure I was beat. Table was pretty passive and now I face check-miniraise on turn. After turn I was pretty sure he had 45 or flopped flush. So I decided only to call the turn bet because of great odds. And when I didnt hit my full house or quads I decided fold on the river. Is this weak play?

guess who · #2 02-26-2007, 11:43 AM

Hum, I think I shove turn.

As played you have to call it, good odds!

rapsu · #3 02-26-2007, 11:48 AM

how good odds there has to be if you are sure that you are beat but your hand is too strong to fold?

brasilstu · #4 02-26-2007, 11:59 AM

$13 to call to win a $71 pot, you gotta call. I agree with the previous poster I woulda shoved on the turn.

rapsu · #5 02-26-2007, 12:00 PM

well how good odds would you have to have to call this bet?

dirtysanchez · #6 02-26-2007, 12:02 PM

you should have pushed the turn, im calling this river getting 2:1 or greater no matter how sure i am im beat, cant say exactly what odds you need because you should have pushed this turn all day

Genz · #7 02-27-2007, 03:01 AM

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how good odds there has to be if you are sure that you are beat but your hand is too strong to fold?

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If you are 99% sure that you are beat and there is no possibility to draw out, no odds in the world are good enough to call a bet.
Thing is, that many players will bet on the river with holdings that you don't expect. Busted flush draws, lower sets and even 2pairs that don't realize the danger or think: he didn't flop the flush and a 4th flush didn't come. And he certainly didn't draw for the runner runner straight, or that don't think at all. So you have to estimate how often that will happen. Then getting 5:1 odds, meaning that this has to happen only about 17% of the time is very good and you need to make a judgement call if villain is stupid or aggressive enough.

corsakh · #8 02-27-2007, 09:41 AM

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how good odds there has to be if you are sure that you are beat but your hand is too strong to fold?

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This good.

Dr_Mabuse101 · #9 02-26-2007, 11:52 AM

I would push the Turn. Only a flush beats you. If he has 45 your ahead. Now on the River you have a tough spot. You are getting 4,5:1 and there is small chance that he has a lower set (66,55). I would make a crying call and hate myself for not pushing the turn.

rapsu · #10 02-26-2007, 11:56 AM

why to push the turn? He isnt going to fold?