Slow playing KK at final table short stacked

[DiceDominator]

I read the guidelines and hope I am posting this correctly. I am a craps and blackjack player that has been studying and playing poker for 1 year now since I can’t play my other advantage games at many casinos any more.

Full Tilt $69 + $6 MTT, 9 player table. I am at the final table with 8 players left. I am on the button with the short stack at the table with $48000 in chips; blinds are $6000 and $3000. Small blind has $100,000 and BB has $170,000. SB and BB have folded their blinds in the past.

I am dealt KK and everyone folds to me. My decision is either to slow play with a small raise or going all in and to take down the blinds which I thought would happen if I went all in. I decide to slow play and raise 2X the BB. SB calls and BB folds. The flop is A with two clubs and one of my K’s is a club. I move all in as I don’t read that the SB had an A. SB calls and I am right he doesn’t have an A but has two clubs and beats me with a flush.

Question, would you more knowledgeable players have slowed played or gone all in?

Thanks for your impute and if I posted this wrong please let me know.

Dominator

[mornelth]

I'd raise it to 3X preflop as it is my standard raise.

Flop - I'd make a c-bet of around 12-15K with intention to get all-in if SB shoves and to shove it in on the turn regardless of what it is if he flat-calls.

[Cornell Fiji]

mornelth,
I think that raising to 18k with a 48k stack is pretty bad.

I actually don't mind the minraise here. My reasoning is that you are shortstacked and picking up an extra 6k in chips means a lot to you. Also, if the villain hits a pair or a draw then you are likely going to double up.

The problem with slowplaying with KK is that the ace seems to flop close to 99% of the time. If I am going to make this gamble with KK I am going to get my money in no matter what flops eventhough I might be drawing to 2 outs.

A push is also perfectly fine.

[mornelth]

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mornelth,
I think that raising to 18k with a 48k stack is pretty bad.

I actually don't mind the minraise here. My reasoning is that you are shortstacked and picking up an extra 6k in chips means a lot to you. Also, if the villain hits a pair or a draw then you are likely going to double up.

The problem with slowplaying with KK is that the ace seems to flop close to 99% of the time. If I am going to make this gamble with KK I am going to get my money in no matter what flops eventhough I might be drawing to 2 outs.

A push is also perfectly fine.

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oops, reading comprehension FTW...

I thought BB was 3K for some reason.

Yes, with 6K in BB I will probably just push because I rarely do anything but shove under 10 BB's. I will also likely show my hand since I can use extra FE for my later pushes... Because if you survive the hand and later have to steal you do not want your opponent thinking "Well, he'll min-raise KK+ and push only weaker hands so my ATo looks good here to call his push..."

[sapsuckah]

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Yes, with 6K in BB I will probably just push because I rarely do anything but shove under 10 BB's. I will also likely show my hand since I can use extra FE for my later pushes... Because if you survive the hand and later have to steal you do not want your opponent thinking "Well, he'll min-raise KK+ and push only weaker hands so my ATo looks good here to call his push..."

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Exactly right and perfectly put.

[starstx]

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Yes, with 6K in BB I will probably just push because I rarely do anything but shove under 10 BB's. I will also likely show my hand since I can use extra FE for my later pushes... Because if you survive the hand and later have to steal you do not want your opponent thinking "Well, he'll min-raise KK+ and push only weaker hands so my ATo looks good here to call his push..."

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Exactly right and perfectly put.

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You people are great. I just realized why I get called with hands like that in a couple of tourneys. I just realized I think I am being Mr Sneaky but I am really (Mr. Obivous) just screaming Hey I mini-raise with my best hands and just push with everything else. I also have mini-raised in the past knowing it screams monster and people fold out to the blinds and now I realize it killed me later with my pushes cause people might have been thinking I just got a monster and are more willing to call me with a wider range of hands.

Beautiful.

Short-stacked I usually push with anything below 7M but I might change this to 10-12 after reading some posts and learning more about FE.

I think after reading the posts it makes more sense to push.

Good Stuff

[Lottery Larry]

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The problem with slowplaying with KK is that the ace seems to flop close to 99% of the time. If I am going to make this gamble with KK I am going to get my money in no matter what flops eventhough I might be drawing to 2 outs.


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I especially loved this section

[JoseGonzlez]

If you have been shoving alot just shove and hope to be called.

If you have been playing tight i think the minraise is fine.

If you ever play a bit higher and you have been shoving the button alot just shove.

[Rocco]

With an M of 5 or slightly above, I would get very suspicious if Button min-raised here. You are expected to push a wide range of hands, so why not push the monsters too?

[dneedle1]

I agree strongly with Rocco with one cavaet-- there are some tables where no one shoves and everyone raises instead-- if you are at that kind of table, go ahead and raise (unless of course you have been the only one shoving).