omg, raising war! (verylowcontent)

Big Limpin · #1 03-31-2007, 06:34 PM

this is so rare to see..the purebred donkey's limit poker cap predraw + cap postdraw bluff [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Limit 5 Card Draw ($1/$2) (converter)

Hero ($59.15), Seat 9
BB ($7.50), Seat 10
Button ($12.30), Seat 3

Hero posts $0.50. BB posts $1.

Hero is SB with [Jh Kh 6c Js Jd]

Round 1: (1.50 SB)

Button calls. Hero raises. BB folds. Button raises. Hero raises. Button calls. 
Hero discards Kh . Button takes 1.

Hero has [Jh 5s 6c Js Jd]

Round 2: (4.50 BB)

Hero bets. Button raises. Hero raises. Button raises. Hero calls. 

Pot: (12.50 BB - $25)

Results: (in white)

Pot: $25, (including rake: $1.25)

Button shows [ 8C,9D,7D,10C,7C ]
Hero shows [ JH,5S,6C,JS,JD ]

wow. this guy CAPPED IT! was i going to fold [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
i [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 1/2 limit

Poisoned · #2 03-31-2007, 06:56 PM

boo. i play 1/2 limit and i never see anything like that

but you have a read to 3bet the jacks?

ChuckyB · #3 03-31-2007, 08:08 PM

Why discard the K instead of the 6?
Is villain more likely to hold one?
Is it pretty much irrelevant when trying to fill with the trips already in hand?
Does anyone draw 2 for quads here, or is that too transparent?

Poisoned · #4 03-31-2007, 08:22 PM

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Why discard the K instead of the 6?
Is villain more likely to hold one?
Is it pretty much irrelevant when trying to fill with the trips already in hand?
Does anyone draw 2 for quads here, or is that too transparent?

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villain is much more likely to hold a king than a 6, so its a slightly improved chance to go for the lower card over time

drawing 2 makes it too transparent, and wont get proper value out of 2 pair for the most part.

edit: and really, it doesnt make much a difference which you choose. lets see if i remember right. having trips and drawing one you are 7% to improve, drawing 2 is 10% only due to the extra quad draw. the times you et paid off drawin 1 by 2 pair or even 1 pair putting you on a missed draw makes up for it

FoldYourLife · #5 03-31-2007, 08:43 PM

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Why discard the K instead of the 6?
Is villain more likely to hold one?
Is it pretty much irrelevant when trying to fill with the trips already in hand?
Does anyone draw 2 for quads here, or is that too transparent?

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villain is much more likely to hold a king than a 6, so its a slightly improved chance to go for the lower card over time

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What villain holds is irrelevant. You aren't getting a card that he discards, so it makes no difference which card you discard. I always hold the higher card just so I don't have to think about deciding which one to discard. If I'm missing something here, somebody please let me know [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img].

VickreyAuction · #6 03-31-2007, 08:50 PM

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Why discard the K instead of the 6?
Is villain more likely to hold one?
Is it pretty much irrelevant when trying to fill with the trips already in hand?
Does anyone draw 2 for quads here, or is that too transparent?

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villain is much more likely to hold a king than a 6, so its a slightly improved chance to go for the lower card over time

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What villain holds is irrelevant. You aren't getting a card that he discards, so it makes no difference which card you discard. I always hold the higher card just so I don't have to think about deciding which one to discard. If I'm missing something here, somebody please let me know [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img].

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I think the idea is that if he's more likely to have a king, then there's less of a chance that there are 3 kings in the deck and so less of a chance that you'll pair your king.

Poisoned · #7 03-31-2007, 08:51 PM

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Why discard the K instead of the 6?
Is villain more likely to hold one?
Is it pretty much irrelevant when trying to fill with the trips already in hand?
Does anyone draw 2 for quads here, or is that too transparent?

[/ QUOTE ]

villain is much more likely to hold a king than a 6, so its a slightly improved chance to go for the lower card over time

[/ QUOTE ]
What villain holds is irrelevant. You aren't getting a card that he discards, so it makes no difference which card you discard. I always hold the higher card just so I don't have to think about deciding which one to discard. If I'm missing something here, somebody please let me know [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img].

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if hes capping predraw (lets assime hes not this guy though) how many hands does he hold where he owuld hold a king, as opposed to a six? dont really care to list em individually, but the king is going to be in more hands then a random low card

FoldYourLife · #8 03-31-2007, 09:56 PM

Yeah, that is true. I'm going to discard the K in this situation from now on, but the difference should be extremely negligible.

Big Limpin · #9 04-01-2007, 02:00 PM

yes 3beting was risky, and i might have not done it had i thought longer, heh.

i do remember giving it 5 seconds at the table. i think what happened was that i forgot his original open-limp on the button (*drawy), 'cause i sent it back around and he reraised me. i guess from then on i had him cast on a 2pr/trip hand...honestly i was very suprised to see he was on the draw. Anyways, that was why i thought i could make it $6 postdraw, i thought he would call with <JJJ like, all the time. When he capped i assumed i was wrong, and he did make the house.

I agree in hindsight that stopping at $4 would be best postdraw.

THEjDonk · #10 04-02-2007, 06:02 AM

Maybe button misread his hand [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Another possible explanation is that button got pissed off when you raised him OOP pre-draw. Then he tilt-bluffed in a desperate attempt to punish you for it.