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FossilMan requests your feedback
As some of you may know, I managed to win the $320 PLO with rebuys in the WCOOP the other day. I've just put the report on my website, as well as the entire hand history file that I requested from PokerStars. Please click the link below, which will get you to the news section of my website, then click on "WCOOP, Part 2" to open a new window with the trip report. Within the trip report, in paragraph 4, you will see the words "separate document" in gold. This is a hot link that will open up another new window with the hand history file of all 843 hands I played in this tournament. This was a 3MB email when I got it from PokerStars, so it might take a few extra seconds to load.
www.fossilmanpoker.com/news.php If you have no interest, no problem, of course. Move on to the next thread here on 2+2. If you are interested, I would enjoy receiving your feedback here in this thread. You will see several hands listed in my report where I point out that I made a mistake, but I'm sure there were others. And maybe my mistakes weren't as bad as I thought. Anyway, I thought it might be fun, and certainly educational, for me to hear your thoughts. I am cross-posting this in 3 forums, NVG, MTT, and Omaha high. If the mods don't like this, feel free to consolidate into one thread in one forum. To be honest, I wasn't sure which forum would be best for this, so I'm letting them decide. Thanks, Greg Raymer (FossilMan) |
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Re: FossilMan requests your feedback
my feedback: you da man
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Re: FossilMan requests your feedback
Greg, I'll start with this hand:
PokerStars Game #12124988783: Tournament #70000006, $300+$20 Omaha Pot Limit - Level XXVIII (30000/60000) - 2007/09/18 - 06:53:51 (ET) Table '70000006 98' 9-max Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: FossilMan (3749034 in chips) Seat 9: O.Mustang (4472966 in chips) FossilMan: posts small blind 30000 O.Mustang: posts big blind 60000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to FossilMan [8h 2s 7s 5h] FossilMan: raises 60000 to 120000 O.Mustang: raises 240000 to 360000 FossilMan: calls 240000 *** FLOP *** [Jd Kd 9s] O.Mustang: checks FossilMan: checks *** TURN *** [Jd Kd 9s] [3c] O.Mustang: checks FossilMan: checks *** RIVER *** [Jd Kd 9s 3c] [Tc] O.Mustang: bets 360000 FossilMan: calls 360000 *** SHOW DOWN *** O.Mustang: shows [3h 6c Ac Ah] (a pair of Aces) FossilMan: shows [8h 2s 7s 5h] (a straight, Seven to Jack) FossilMan collected 1440000 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 1440000 | Rake 0 Board [Jd Kd 9s 3c Tc] Seat 1: FossilMan (button) (small blind) showed [8h 2s 7s 5h] and won (1440000) with a straight, Seven to Jack Seat 9: O.Mustang (big blind) showed [3h 6c Ac Ah] and lost with a pair of Aces O.Mustang said, "do they tell u what I have" FossilMan said, "obv not" O.Mustang said, "how can u call" O.Mustang said, "calling with all the way wih rubish" [ QUOTE ] Fossilman: At this point I came to realize that he was not just a whiner, but that he seriously just didn’t understand the changing value of hands as you progressed from a full table down to heads-up play. I am pretty certain that any experienced heads-up PLO player would tell me that my call on that river was standard, with the only question being could I raise for value? I’m sure in most cases the answer is no, as there really aren’t any worse hands that I could expect to get a call from there, but folding that river would have been a horrible play by me. [/ QUOTE ] Your heads up opponent was clearly an idiot (don't get me started on his chop negotiation). I especially like how he said "calling all the way" after he had checked the flop and turn. Pre-flop is pretty standard since you're on the button and it's heads up. Especially if you think he's prone to overplay big pairs. OOP and/or multiway would be very different, obviously. As for the river call (which was 3:1, btw - not the 2:1 you said in your blog), I wouldn't say it's standard since any Q + A,K,J,T,9, or 8 has you beat. And with the exception of QT (which he surely would have bet before now) you really can't eliminate these possibilities. Against this guy however, I think you could be justified, but it's close. My main defense of the call would come from the fact that his pre-flop re-raise indicates a co-ordinated hand, and almost any co-ordinated hand that hit a better straight on the river probably would have hit the flop well enough to justify a bet, at least on the turn. Raising is undoubtedly spew unless you think he folds anything but the nuts. And again, I wouldn't count on it with this guy. |
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Re: FossilMan requests your feedback
I like Greg's play all the way here, although I don't think the PF raise is obligatory. Do you guys think villain should've re-raised PF, then bet the flop? I think it's only good if you also re-raise a fair smattering of wraps, so I guess I won't fault him much for not re-raising. But HU I'm even a little surprized he didn't bet into it as played. I think I would have more often than not--not doing so seems to me playing a bit scared.
To Greg: Thanks very much for making this available! I'll be very interested in checking out as much as I can get through. |
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Re: FossilMan requests your feedback
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Do you guys think villain should've re-raised PF, then bet the flop? [/ QUOTE ] What I'm thinking is, given how villain actually played the hand, he can't complain that Greg looked him up with the dummy straight. However, I hesitate to say that calling a 1/2 pot bet on the river is standard, or that folding here is horrible in general. |
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Re: FossilMan requests your feedback
Why not just post a hand or two you have questions about?
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