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JJ deep overpair against 56/15 aggrodonk
6-handed.
Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and covers. MP is 56/15/1.6(400) with 52% (!) won when saw flop, 42% att to steal blinds, 34% folded BB to steal. MP has 214BB. My read is that he is retarded, floaty and bluffy. BB is also a LAGtard though has more brains. Hero raises to 3.5BB, MP calls, 3 folds, BB calls. Flop T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (11BB) BB checks, Hero bets 8.4BB, MP calls, BB calls. Turn 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (36.2BB) BB checks, Hero checks (I figure they may give up their float with a double barrel and I can let them do some betting), MP bets 72BB, BB folds, Hero...? WTF? Why is he betting so much? If for some reason I call and he shoves a blank river for 130BB for a 440BB pot am I calling? |
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Re: JJ deep overpair against 56/15 aggrodonk
i think i would raise and call a shove. if you are beat, oh well
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Re: JJ deep overpair against 56/15 aggrodonk
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i think i would raise and call a shove. if you are beat, oh well [/ QUOTE ] you regularly play 400bb pots with this attitude? this is a very marginal spot. given time i think this is a fold but in the heat of battle i may call or raise, im not sure. but it is very very close. actually i like a fold there are better spots to throw about 200bb. |
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Re: JJ deep overpair against 56/15 aggrodonk
Why did you call the turn bet? Unless villain's aggro stats are something like 1/4/1 I don't see how huge overbets mean good news for JJ on boards like this. Yeah, he get weird like this if he picked up a combo draw on the turn but I still don't like calling this OOP, especially when it can wind up all-in for less than a PSB on the river.
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Re: JJ deep overpair against 56/15 aggrodonk
I'm not saying I called the turn bet. I'm asking hypothetically if I did call what is our plan for the river.
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Re: JJ deep overpair against 56/15 aggrodonk
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I'm not saying I called the turn bet. I'm asking hypothetically if I did call what is our plan for the river. [/ QUOTE ] In the event that I called the turn in this situation, I'm calling the river. I don't like the idea of villains thinking that waiting until I get almost half of my stack in the middle then trying to bluff me out of the pot is something they should do with any frequency. I would rather pay of his higher overpair or set once than have him try this line as a bluff over and over in the future. |
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Re: JJ deep overpair against 56/15 aggrodonk
aggro donk + overpair is a good combination, even when 2 BI's deep.
you say bluffy, floaty and retarted. surely you beat alot of hands he is going broke with here. there are 3 draws out as well i agree it is a weird spot, but i'm gonna find it hard folding, when you have described him thus. |
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Re: JJ deep overpair against 56/15 aggrodonk
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[ QUOTE ] i think i would raise and call a shove. if you are beat, oh well [/ QUOTE ] you regularly play 400bb pots with this attitude? [/ QUOTE ] you're the one whose thinking is wrong. who cares how deep it is. either you think it's profitable or it's not. but i'd call here, raising doesn't do anything but let him play perfectly |
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Re: JJ deep overpair against 56/15 aggrodonk
Thanks, everyone. Anybody likes a bet-call or bet-fold on the turn better than checking?
[ QUOTE ] but i'd call here, raising doesn't do anything but let him play perfectly [/ QUOTE ]That's what I thought as well. Also, regarding the AF thing; I've recently started to look more into WWSF than the AF. His WWSF is very very high for somebody seeing nearly half the flops, which means he bluffs a lot. Results: <font color="white">Evidently he played his top set expertly, as he took me for 200BB; something he wouldn't have done had he "only" potted turn and river</font> |
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