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KK out of Position on Scary board (100NL 6 max)
Villain is running at 50/13 and doing a lot of limp/calling.
I put him on a flush draw or a Queen. But really, he could have anything with those donkish stats. What should I do on the river? Check/call? Check/fold? Or lead out with a shove (A Queen will maybe call that, right?) Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter CO: $118.25 BTN: $101.05 Hero (SB): $99 BB: $119.65 UTG: $64.10 MP: $9.35 Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K dealt to Hero (SB) UTG calls $1, MP folds, CO calls $1, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6</font>, 2 folds, CO calls $5 Flop: ($14) Q T 3 (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $12</font>, CO calls $12 Turn: ($38) 9 (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $26</font>, CO calls $26 River: ($90) 9 (2 Players) Hero ????? Thanks |
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Re: KK out of Position on Scary board (100NL 6 max)
I would check, and call a reasonably sized bet. I think if you bet, he's only calling, most of the time, with hands that will beat you. However, he may bluff a wider range - would be good to know his AF, particularly on the river.
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Re: KK out of Position on Scary board (100NL 6 max)
Shove. c/c is terrible.
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Re: KK out of Position on Scary board (100NL 6 max)
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Shove. c/c is terrible. [/ QUOTE ] Why? |
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Re: KK out of Position on Scary board (100NL 6 max)
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[ QUOTE ] Shove. c/c is terrible. [/ QUOTE ] Why? [/ QUOTE ] See my post. |
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Re: KK out of Position on Scary board (100NL 6 max)
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Shove. c/c is terrible. [/ QUOTE ] Why? [/ QUOTE ] See my post. [/ QUOTE ] Thanks. This makes me ask how we go about analyzing whether to bet for value or check to induce a bluff here. Is the following the right question to ask in order to determine whether to bet or c/c: Will he call with more worse hands if we bet, or bluff with more worse hands if we check? If so, perhaps there's enough Qx and Tx hands he'll call with that we beat. |
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Re: KK out of Position on Scary board (100NL 6 max)
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Villain is running at 50/13 and doing a lot of limp/calling. I put him on a flush draw or a Queen. But really, he could have anything with those donkish stats. What should I do on the river? Check/call? Check/fold? Or lead out with a shove (A Queen will maybe call that, right?) [/ QUOTE ] Do you have AF numbers? Assuming normal loose/passive numbers, there is just too many Q/T hands for villain to call down with. Most notably QJ and TJ are great suspects here. And if he's a calling station, then anything goes. If you were deeper, I'd advise bet/fold. Here's the thing here. $90 in pot. You've got about half that behind. (Again, I don't have AF numbers - also number of hands is useful). My suspicion here is that you want to check/call, which means you're putting your stack in anyways. Unfortunately, that leaves a lot of value on the table for the LAP when he checks behind. So if you're going to risk your stack with a check/call, you might as well value bet river here. Make sense? Edit: This is specific to villain running at 50/13. |
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Re: KK out of Position on Scary board (100NL 6 max)
Shove for value from a Q. Not just AQ, any queen, he is 50/13/passive. Checking is bad because you don't want a Queen checking behind on that river. You will be beat a decent amount of the time but you cant check fold this river vs a 50/13 with the money invested.
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Re: KK out of Position on Scary board (100NL 6 max)
Every draw in the world has got there, but there're lots of probably Qx hands he could have. As we have under a PSB having already put in > 1/3 of our stack into the pot, I don't think there's much point checking, so let's just put it all in
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Re: KK out of Position on Scary board (100NL 6 max)
yeah, i shove this for value on the river, and lol when villain shows Q10.
In all seriousness, with those stats villain will call with plenty of queens there... |
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