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kinda crappy flop spot
1st hand the table, i post the BB.
EP raises, 2 callers, I defend with 65. Flop 975 rainbow. I check, EP bets, 1 caller, next guy raises. I'm getting 6.5:1 immediate, if other two call after me the call is 7.5:1. Of course EP could 3 bet and that would suck. Call or no? |
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Re: kinda crappy flop spot
Does the book say to call in that spot PF?
The answer is no to both. |
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Re: kinda crappy flop spot
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Does the book say to call in that spot PF? The answer is no to both. [/ QUOTE ] explanation please. also saying something like "does the book say??" as an explanation makes you come across as either ignorant or a troll. its up to you if you want to portray yourself as such. |
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Re: kinda crappy flop spot
I fold, we are not closing the action and our outs could easily be tainted.
A 5 is feasibly the only 'safe' card we can hit. |
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Re: kinda crappy flop spot
It's close pf, but I see no problem with defending. It's your first hand, and defending with garbage might get you some serious table image points.
On the flop, I drop this. You could actually be drawing dead VERY easily here. People who cold call raises (if they're not completely terrible) often have pocket pairs (like 7s, 5s, or 9s). Even if there is no set out against you, hitting a 6 probably isn't too helpful. Finally, if you make your straight, JT (another favorite donkey cold call hand) makes the nuts. Edit: As has already been said....you're not closing the action. The points I've made could be overcome if you were closing the action here (that's actually impossible without people acting out of turn I guess), but the possibility of getting sucked in for 3 or 4 bets is just too great. |
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Re: kinda crappy flop spot
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You could actually be drawing dead VERY easily here. People who cold call raises (if they're not completely terrible) often have pocket pairs (like 7s, 5s, or 9s). [/ QUOTE ] This is going to sound nitty, but getting stuff like this right is important. Hero is not drawing dead against a set. -McGee |
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Re: kinda crappy flop spot
Okay, sorry if it comes off as being a troll. 7.5:1 to your money is obviously great odds, however, as the others have said before, if you're going to play this hand, if you hit anything on the flop, you're basically getting the right money no matter what to see the next card.
In situations like this, I would just fold PF. I don't know what your level of play is, but 65 creates such hard decisions, it's just better for beginning-intermediate players to fold. As played, the flop brings a pretty crazy board. If EP is a normal player, no way do I think he would CBet into 4 players. Looks like this kid probably has an overpair. The raiser can already have you crushed with trip 9s, or 7s, so you may be only drawing to 4 outs or less. Fold. |
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Re: kinda crappy flop spot
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1st hand the table, i post the BB. EP raises, 2 callers, I defend with 65. [/ QUOTE ] If it's 65s--easy call. If it's 65o--easy fold. [ QUOTE ] Flop 975 rainbow. I check, EP bets, 1 caller, next guy raises. I'm getting 6.5:1 immediate, if other two call after me the call is 7.5:1. Of course EP could 3 bet and that would suck. Call or no? [/ QUOTE ] El Foldo...you're not closing the action and your 8 and 6 outs are dirty. |
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Re: kinda crappy flop spot
there's very little difference between that 65 being suited or not. maybe a few percentage points at most.
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Re: kinda crappy flop spot
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[ QUOTE ] 1st hand the table, i post the BB. EP raises, 2 callers, I defend with 65. [/ QUOTE ] If it's 65s--easy call. If it's 65o--easy fold. [/ QUOTE ] getting 7:1 i doubt this is an "easy fold." A3o is an "easy fold." this is borderline call/fold. |
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