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ask me about Friedrich Nietzsche
Maybe this goes in SMP, but I'd like to avoid getting into a giant sh*tting match with those people and just answer questions and clear up basic misconceptions about Nietzsche and (more specifically) his philosophy. This is obviously inspired/plagiarized by/from the Hitler thread, and I dunno if I can live up to how good that one's been, but I'll do my best. I've read all of his major books and most of his essays and other notes. I've studied him with some relatively reputable scholars of his (M.C. Dillon, who was of fairly high regard in the academic world at least). I know some details of his personal life but not to the nth degree, so I'd prefer to discuss his philosophy / personal beliefs / attitudes towards society, religion, etc etc. Anything he wrote about, you heard someone claim he advocated, etc is fair game. I'll back up any claims I make with quotes if reasonable (eg a broad claim about him may not have one specific quote backing it up, but almost any position I'll attribute to him I can back up fairly quickly with a quote/page number/etc). I think I'm a fairly good source when it comes to Nietzsche's philosophy. If I didn't [censored] off in college I would like to have been teaching him by now.
I dunno if anyone cares, probably not, but I'm here with absolutely nothing to do for the rest of the night and the entirety of tomorrow, so fire away if anyone particularly cares. Ice breakers: "superman" (overman), alleged antisemitism, alleged nihilism/pessimism, ties to Wagner, criticisms of Christianity, etc. A good Nietzsche quote to start out with that gives maybe a totally different picture than you previously had: Jesus said to his Jews: "The law was for servants--love God as I love him, as his son! What are morals to us sons of God! |
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Re: ask me about Friedrich Nietzsche
Why should I, as a dude who reads stuff and thinks about stuff, be impressed by Nietzsche. What does he bring to the table that makes him worth being one of your primary intellectual influences?
Also, is a new tidal wave of Ask Me threads all but inevitable now? |
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Re: ask me about Friedrich Nietzsche
i hate groupthink [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
see my post in the mod forum for reference |
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See I would, but - yeah how would that happen, daryn. Who am I, Commodus?
OH SNAP HOLY [censored] WHAT IF I'M [censored] COMMODUS? PLOT TWIST IMO! |
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Re: ask me about Friedrich Nietzsche
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Why should I, as a dude who reads stuff and thinks about stuff, be impressed by Nietzsche. What does he bring to the table that makes him worth being one of your primary intellectual influences? [/ QUOTE ] He has accurate criticisms of basically every philosophical system that predated him. He was the also the first of the breed, without Nietzsche there's not really any coherent existentialism (if there is anyway) and phenomenology is slower to come about. If you don't get anything out of his positive philosophy though, his criticisms and explanations of religion, everyday morality, politics and intellectualism are as relevant as anything you're reading today. Nobody really thought the way he did before him and a lot of what he said (most of what he said, the significant philosophical parts anyway) still stands. The problems of Kant and idealism, "free" vs "unfree" will, hypocrisy in altruistic morality, etc etc etc etc are explained in Nietzsche more clearly and concisely than anywhere else I've found. He's also arguably the most significant philosopher since Descartes (and it's hard to name a more significant one since him) so if you're at all interested in the progression of philosophical thought, it might be worth reading. [ QUOTE ] Also, is a new tidal wave of Ask Me threads all but inevitable now? [/ QUOTE ] Coming soon: Ask me about pissing off Anacardo and getting him to pretentiously troll my Nietzsche thread |
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Pls nga you can't touch me.
(your av's kinda nerdlinger) (sry that was uncalled for, pls continue w/ thread) |
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Pls nga you can't touch me. (your av's kinda nerdlinger) (sry that was uncalled for, pls continue w/ thread) [/ QUOTE ] ...or I could make a career of being blue I could dress in black and read Camus smoke clove cigarettes and drink vermouth like I was seventeen that would be a scream... edit: also my av's a hot chick wasting zombies, yours is a dude with a beard, the cosmos are aligned against you on this one |
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Re: ask me about Friedrich Nietzsche
I really like stockings.
Please, baby, let's not fight. More Freidy imo. What do you find so relevant / devastating about his criticisms of altruistic morality? |
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Re: ask me about Friedrich Nietzsche
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He has accurate criticisms of basically every philosophical system that predated him. [/ QUOTE ] Could you please direct me to his accurate criticisms of British empiricism? [ QUOTE ] Nobody really thought the way he did before him [/ QUOTE ] Sure they did. Insanity wasn't THAT rare. [ QUOTE ] He's also arguably the most significant philosopher since Descartes (and it's hard to name a more significant one since him) [/ QUOTE ] You had better be quite good at argument. Perhaps you meant to say "Apart from David Hume, he's also arguably...". You'll have to work hard to get in the top 5. If I get political philosophers, he isn't making the top ten. Just in case I'd forgotten my Nietzsche over the last decade, I trotted out Copleston's History and Flew's Dictionary. An amusing quote from the latter: "In the English-speaking world Nietzsche has only rarely been considered an important philosopher. Instead, he is still popularly seen as, at best, an impressive aphorist whose psychological apercus partly anticipated the theories of Freud, and, at worst, as one of the latest and perhaps the most inflammatory of a long line of German opponents of the ideals of liberal enlightenment." |
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Re: ask me about Friedrich Nietzsche
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[ QUOTE ] He has accurate criticisms of basically every philosophical system that predated him. [/ QUOTE ] Could you please direct me to his accurate criticisms of British empiricism? [ QUOTE ] Nobody really thought the way he did before him [/ QUOTE ] Sure they did. Insanity wasn't THAT rare. [ QUOTE ] He's also arguably the most significant philosopher since Descartes (and it's hard to name a more significant one since him) [/ QUOTE ] You had better be quite good at argument. Perhaps you meant to say "Apart from David Hume, he's also arguably...". You'll have to work hard to get in the top 5. If I get political philosophers, he isn't making the top ten. Just in case I'd forgotten my Nietzsche over the last decade, I trotted out Copleston's History and Flew's Dictionary. An amusing quote from the latter: "In the English-speaking world Nietzsche has only rarely been considered an important philosopher. Instead, he is still popularly seen as, at best, an impressive aphorist whose psychological apercus partly anticipated the theories of Freud, and, at worst, as one of the latest and perhaps the most inflammatory of a long line of German opponents of the ideals of liberal enlightenment." [/ QUOTE ] hume may be the only brit, that may be considered a philosopher... Nietzsche agreed with him in quite a few cogitations. But his basic critics on cognition for example apply for every system evidently. |
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