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NL 10 - TT on the button, OESD+Overpair underplayed ?
I feel like I underplayed the hand.
The Preflop call should be again AFAIK. but I def. should raise this flop. I was blinded by the fact I got odds to draw to my oesd, but my overpair+oesd is worth a raise here. as played this would be a good spot to rep. the ace in combination with a value/ semibluff/ freeshowdown bet. Checking behind this Turn is criminal ... Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 7 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter) SB: $18.35 BB: $2.80 UTG: $14.05 UTG+1: $8.85 MP: $4.00 CO: $13.05 <font color="black">Hero (BTN): $9.95</font> <font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7 Players) 2 folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $0.30</font>, CO calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds <font color="black">Flop:</font> ($1.05) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players) <font color="red">MP bets $0.40</font>, CO calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.40 <font color="black">Turn:</font> ($2.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players) MP checks, CO checks, Hero checks <font color="black">River:</font> ($2.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players) MP checks, <font color="red">CO bets $2.25</font>, 2 folds Uncalled bet of $2.25 returned to CO Pot Size: $2.25 ($0.20 Rake) |
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Re: NL 10 - TT on the button, OESD+Overpair underplayed ?
I might have to raise this flop, although getting an almost free card isn't bad. The less-than-half sized bet and call look weak/chasing.
Betting the turn here to rep an A or other decent hand is a good idea, because who would check an A or made hand on this board? (Unfortunately, lots of idiots at 10NL, which is what I play, would.) As played, must fold river. |
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Re: NL 10 - TT on the button, OESD+Overpair underplayed ?
why do you have to fold the river? You just said no one would check an A or a made hand on that board, I don't see how the 7 on the river changes anything.
CO just saw the turn go Check Check Check and MP Checks the river too. If I was CO i would take a shot at this pot more than 50% of the time, and TT beats more than 50% of CO's hands. If you think you had the best hand on the flop, and the A didn't change anything (the most likely player to have an A is MP) then I think you have to call the river with your under-repped hand. |
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Re: NL 10 - TT on the button, OESD+Overpair underplayed ?
Raise to 1.60 on flop. call river as played. CO has 8 or 9 (or less?) alot here.
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Re: NL 10 - TT on the button, OESD+Overpair underplayed ?
Raise flop to 1.2$ (at least). 3 way you don't wanna see a Q,K,A on the turn or river, and if your hand isn't the best right now you have a reasonable chance to improve. I definatly think river is a fold, he bet full pot into 2 other people, you are behind more than 50% of the time.
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Re: NL 10 - TT on the button, OESD+Overpair underplayed ?
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why do you have to fold the river? You just said no one would check an A or a made hand on that board, I don't see how the 7 on the river changes anything. CO just saw the turn go Check Check Check and MP Checks the river too. If I was CO i would take a shot at this pot more than 50% of the time, and TT beats more than 50% of CO's hands. If you think you had the best hand on the flop, and the A didn't change anything (the most likely player to have an A is MP) then I think you have to call the river with your under-repped hand. [/ QUOTE ] Actually as played the river fold isn't unreasonable. At these stakes this is exactly how a lot of people would play AK. Had OP reraised the flop he might have protected his hand enough to justify showing down. I might still make the call according to the reasoning good players wouldn't turn-check aces on an obvious str8 board. I wouldn't be enthusiastic about it though. I might also have popped it up a little more preflop. Personally I loathe taking 9-9 10-10 and JJ to a flop in a multi-way. |
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Re: NL 10 - TT on the button, OESD+Overpair underplayed ?
I would like to hear a little more about the hand as played and the river. I'd fold. Although I think it's stupid to play an A this way, I see it done all the time at these stakes. CO could easily have a 7, too.
Who else calls and why? Do you think CO is stealing? Funny, if CO isn't stealing and doesn't have a 7, but has a hand that beats hero, CO is very bad, unless CO has TcJc [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] |
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Re: NL 10 - TT on the button, OESD+Overpair underplayed ?
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I would like to hear a little more about the hand as played and the river. I'd fold. Although I think it's stupid to play an A this way, I see it done all the time at these stakes. CO could easily have a 7, too. Who else calls and why? Do you think CO is stealing? Funny, if CO isn't stealing and doesn't have a 7, but has a hand that beats hero, CO is very bad, unless CO has TcJc [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] If Cut off is a normal NL10 player, I think they are rarely stealing here. That is my problem with the whole hand from the begining. What did cut off call the flop with? Was it a draw, a set afraid of a straight, top pair, overpair, overs? Without raising the flop or betting the turn we just don't know on the river. The other problem is that this river is a great spot to steal a pot. Board paired and noone bet that A. Steals at NL10 seem to be either really small bets or big over bets however. This seems more like a value bet. Without a read that the guy is FOS I think the pot is too small and we have too little invested in it to make the call. Edit: Oh yeah, we have mp1 who was PFR and bet the flop yet to act. It may be a mistake but it is a small mistake. Half pot bet I probably call. |
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Re: NL 10 - TT on the button, OESD+Overpair underplayed ?
I think its played totally fine.
I call on the flop with 2 opponents and reevaluate on the turn. Against only one opponent i reraise to make him slow down on the turn and give a freecard. |
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Re: NL 10 - TT on the button, OESD+Overpair underplayed ?
Your hand is too vulnerable to call on flop I think. Get a free card??? Your hand has a very reasonable chance of being the best, freecards hurt you. And if you are behind, then 1/3 you are gonna make a straight.
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