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intersting spot early in FTOPS $500
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1116226
shove/call or fold? I really wasn't sure what to do, figured at best I am against a NFD, or NFD+ pair, worst I am probably drawing dead. obvious pros If I am good and hold, get a nice double up, lose and I play a smallish stack but still not in too much trouble w/ the good structure. |
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Re: intersting spot early in FTOPS $500
easy fold. You're either slightly ahead or WB; blinds are too small and structure too good to gamble now unless you feel you are extremely far behind the field in skill level, even then, you can find better spots.
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Re: intersting spot early in FTOPS $500
damn i was gonna say move it in,
but i think its close, and definitely depends on read on miniraiser. |
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This would be 10x tougher if there was only 1 raise ahead of you. Now it`s a fold.
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Re: intersting spot early in FTOPS $500
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damn i was gonna say move it in, but i think its close, and definitely depends on read on miniraiser. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think it is a fold necessarily either. It is very close, but the minraiser may fold after 2 shoves and you get free chips. Without doing much math, I think this is a shove. |
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Re: intersting spot early in FTOPS $500
i think later in tourney you take a stand here but right now id fold bc there are set possibilities or 85 . if i had a read on the all in guy and i knew he shoved w draws alot id be more inclined to call but i have invested nothing so id bail
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Re: intersting spot early in FTOPS $500
Your best case is open limper has AA and the pusher has A5hh, although something like 67hh is more likely.
The open limp in EP then minraise on flop is AA soooo much, and this tourney has lots of qualifiers who might do this. So I think you are either slightly ahead or tied with the pusher, or buried by a set, and have the minraiser buried.....the problem lies in the frequency that the pusher has a set. So you are either slightly ahead or buried with meh pot odds, I think I fold. Regards, Woodguy |
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Re: intersting spot early in FTOPS $500
SHOVE
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Re: intersting spot early in FTOPS $500
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SHOVE [/ QUOTE ] qft. You'll see 2 overpairs, overpair + draw, overpair + top pair, etc. more than enough to compensate for the times one has a set. |
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Re: intersting spot early in FTOPS $500
Without specific reads i'd put jake on an overpair, looks anxious get all in while he thinks he is ahead. If he has a set here, he can smooth call and try to extract more chips on any non heart turn with his equity being sky-high and his hand relatively disguised, (as a really good draw or overpair). And he has position.
So I think we are ahead of his likely holdings. The minraise I put on either TPGK, overcards putting you on a bluff on such a raggy board or a set. I actually fold this thinking I can find more favorable spots, and thinking the shove could be a donk that got all excited his set would get action no matter what. I agree that the minraise by itself without any more players is a tough position to be in, because you can't really know where you are. I'd maybe call, with the intention of leading the turn t800, folding to a shove, and very happy to get a call ( TP slowed down ?). Again a minraise on the turn would give me the creeps. |
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