KJs

jason_t · #1 04-11-2006, 01:31 AM

Wild, erratic UTG opens, I cold-call K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in the CO, an unknown 3-bets otb, the blinds fold, UTG call, I misclick cap and they call.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG checks, I bet, Button raises, UTG calls, I call.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG checks, I check, Button bets, UTG calls, I call.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG bets, I raise

The pot is 13 BB when it's my action on the river.

Try to keep from making this a preflop post please. I have already talked about it with enough people to understand the situation better. Postflop is where it's at here, I hope.

milesdyson · #2 04-11-2006, 01:48 AM

its hard to put UTG on a hand. is he bad enough to call AJ/KJ/QJ on this flop without a flush draw?

only JJ makes some sense really. but anyway, when it gets to the river it seems that you may be slightly ahead of UTG's range.

but, i would not assume button would ever fold a better hand to a raise here. so i dont really think raising is going to help us win the pot. and since i feel about tied or just a little ahead of UTG, i'd rather call and hope to collect an overcall from button with 66-99.

cartman · #3 04-11-2006, 01:49 AM

I dont like the river raise. I think there is a pretty good chance button is ahead of you and--if he isn't--I think going for an overcall is good.

Victor · #4 04-11-2006, 01:52 AM

so you are hoping button folds kk and utg has a weaker j. i think these plays only work for clarkmeister.

DeathDonkey · #5 04-11-2006, 01:57 AM

Given your preflop misclick I think going nuts on the flop might be ok. He may make a mistake on the turn if you 3 bet the flop (either a free card or folding a hand he shouldn't). I think the river is sort of ok but only works if you had button beat anyway.

-DeathDonkey

Alobar · #6 04-11-2006, 02:14 AM

I dont like it. I dont think button is ever folding an overpair here (or at least anywhere near often enough for this play to be correct), plus you still have to have UTG beat

True · #7 04-11-2006, 02:23 AM

dont like it.

W. Deranged · #8 04-11-2006, 02:31 AM

I can't imagine button folds an overpair even close to often enough to make this worth it...

newhizzle · #9 04-11-2006, 02:41 AM

id go for the overcall, i dont think you are folding a better hand often

Solid_p · #10 04-12-2006, 04:27 PM

Go for the overcall. Not folding overpairs and you want a middle pair calling.