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Old 04-02-2006, 05:35 PM
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Default Unorthodox KK line ... bad?

I prob see an ace here WAY more than a FD but I was just stubborn.

Is this flop worth cbetting vs two opponents oop?
Should I continue if called, as I did?

No read other than some PT stats of about 30/8/2.5 after 25 or so hands.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (6 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP folds.

Turn: (4 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (6 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB
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Old 04-02-2006, 05:38 PM
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Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (5.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB
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Old 04-02-2006, 06:13 PM
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Default Re: Unorthodox KK line ... bad?

Unless I have a certain read on his riverplay I think bet/fold on the river is marginally better than check/calling. He is only betting an ace or a missed draw and his calling raise is a lot wider IMO (him being in the BB). I'm not concerned with bluffraises on a board like this. I think it happens never.
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Old 04-02-2006, 08:18 PM
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Default Re: Unorthodox KK line ... bad?

useless bump?
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Old 04-02-2006, 08:41 PM
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Default Re: Unorthodox KK line ... bad?

Hand 1 I think you played fine. You can argue for a bet, but I think check/call is just as fine.

Hand 2, that flop check is bad.
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Old 04-02-2006, 11:16 PM
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Default Re: Unorthodox KK line ... bad?

yeah now that I look at it the flop check is real bad.

I play mostly NLHE and I tend to check behind here with KK to try to get to showdown as cheap as possible. Maybe I should rethink that (especially for LHE).
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Old 04-03-2006, 04:45 AM
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Default Re: Unorthodox KK line ... bad?

in limit you can afford to take a bit more risks than in nl b/c your whole stack isnt at risk
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Old 04-03-2006, 05:16 AM
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Default Re: Unorthodox KK line ... bad?

HU flop checks in limit=blasphemy.

I can't tell if hand is bet/fold or check/call, i'd like to see someone make a compelling arguement for either.
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Old 04-03-2006, 05:22 AM
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Default Re: Unorthodox KK line ... bad?

hand 1:

river is a bet... this guy wont give you credit for the ace and will call with a 6 a lot.

These types arent the "wait till the river to raise tp" types
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Old 04-03-2006, 05:26 AM
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Default Re: Unorthodox KK line ... bad?

In Hand 1 I'd bet river but I hate all your choices there. I prefer check/fold to check/call I think.

Hand 2 looks good to me I think its funny that everyone is like "OMG he didn't bet the flop after raising preflop!! The sky is falling!!"

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