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Old 11-19-2007, 12:08 AM
DetroitHustle DetroitHustle is offline
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Default Push/Fold ICM Hands (6.50)

I use SNGWIZ & SNGEGT to check my pushes/calls.
Im wondering if i think im one of the best/better players at my table , should i be passing up slighty +EV pushes?
Here are a couple hands.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB (t1350)
UTG (t2400)
MP (t4390)
Hero (t990)
Button (t2670)
SB (t1700)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t990</font>,

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UTG (t3425)
MP (t1975)
CO (t2540)
Hero (t1980)
SB (t1805)
BB (t1775)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1955</font>,
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Old 11-19-2007, 12:09 AM
DetroitHustle DetroitHustle is offline
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Default Re: Push/Fold ICM Hands (6.50)

AND BTW in hand 2 there are ante's which is what i think makes the big differnce.
BB in hand 2 is also pretty tight (tag , i have 400+ hands on him). He's called me light when i push from the small blind but in this scenario i doubt he will call too light.
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Old 11-19-2007, 01:50 AM
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Default Re: Push/Fold ICM Hands (6.50)

I think hand 1 is fine and hand 2 I kind of hate. You're in a 6.5 and you have to have a read that SB and BB are tight. I just don't think that happens all to often in a 6.5. I'm looking for my minimum edge to be at least .3 in any low stakes tourney through, say, a 27, so at a 6.5 this is way marginal and screwing up someones calling range will cost you big $$$.
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Old 11-19-2007, 04:56 AM
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Default Re: Push/Fold ICM Hands (6.50)

i agree with hand 1 but yet again not liking hand 2. you have position why not raise to 500 or 600.
worst case scenario you get reraised by one of those hands that snap calls. only you still have 1500ish to play.
an ok scenario would be the flat call and you get to play a flop in position.
best case obviously you take it down preflop and pick up another round of survival.
and as for the not stacking off marginally with a big skill advantage would be a lot more important in the lower blind levels. i think that this concept is pretty much diminished completely at 100 200 blinds.
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Old 11-19-2007, 04:58 AM
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Default Re: Push/Fold ICM Hands (6.50)

also cheesemonkey when you say edge of .3 you mean ROI or is there another number i have to learn?
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Old 11-19-2007, 05:05 AM
eurythmech eurythmech is offline
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Default Re: Push/Fold ICM Hands (6.50)

.3% of the tournament prize pool in difference
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Old 11-19-2007, 06:32 PM
DetroitHustle DetroitHustle is offline
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Default Re: Push/Fold ICM Hands (6.50)

I always DO have some sort of read on my opponents. I use PT , And PAHUD and print screen right around 75/150 (so ATleast 18 hands of data on each) than when reviewing i take in to account there vpip/pfr and any other info i had attained during play and set ranges accordingly.
Im not sure how to set my min edge on SNGEGT BUT
running this hand through here if sb and bb are calling 16% than this is +EV by .4 .
BB was 10/10 after like 400 hand stats. So unless he knows im pushing really wide from the BU i doubt he's calling even with the top 16%. So setting the range to what i THINK is correct it's +.6 EV.

And dickkemp: flatcalling 200 here just because i have the button is terrible. we are not looking to play many (if any) flops at 100/200 ante 25. I also don't think raising 25% of my stack is a good idea neither , esp giving i feel BB is a solid player and he may re-steal with a lot of hands he would fold to a shove..It's push/fold.
. I wish WIZ and SNGEGT told me this IS a fold because i hate thinking this is +EV to push this marginal of a hand.
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