4/180 KK against a weird flop bet.

[Brandonjp13]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB (t890)
UTG (t1350)
UTG+1 (t1830)
MP1 (t1350)
MP2 (t1280)
MP3 (t3650)
CO (t1930)
Hero (t2230)
SB (t1380)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t90</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls t90, CO calls t90, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t500</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG folds, MP3 calls t410, CO folds.

Flop: (t1225) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets t600</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ??

Normal more lucky then good 4/180 player. I really can't imagine the flop hitting him unless it set him. So do I smooth call hoping he's donking around with a smaller pair/AK or shove and hope he's willing to stack off with whatever he has?

[ssnyc]

just push...he will call with worse and you are pushing the next street anyway...enough in the pot that you can live with it if he folds

[sapsuckah]

I push here. You may lose a little value if he has AK/AQ, but I think a decent pair is more likely. You're gonna stack him if it's TT/JJ/QQ and get stacked if it's AA/99. In a 4/180, if he got lucky and hit his set, so be it... but so many people will stack off here with worse hands than your KK.

[halpgr]

I'd shove this flop. If he caught a lucky flop then good for him but he didn't have correct odds to call preflop if that's what he was hoping for.

So given the preflop raise I think it's OK to go broke on any flop where you have an overpair. You may be ahead on this flop if villain has some kind of Axhh hand and is semi bluff a flush draw+overs. If you're ahead then the pot is big enough to win now so raise all in to protect.

[deepsquat]

id shove the flop too.

I shove this pf after there is a raise and 2 coldcallers. My pf aggression is a bit skewed lately, but if we are shoving almost any flop here when bet into, why wouldnt we want to shove this pf?

[Dunkman]

Yeah shove the flop it's not like you're folding on the 9 high board, and seeing more cards isn't gonna help you. I think shove PF is too heavy-handed, we should be trying to encourage some action with kings, just not 5 way action.

[M1cKmAcK]

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Yeah shove the flop it's not like you're folding on the 9 high board, and seeing more cards isn't gonna help you. I think shove PF is too heavy-handed, we should be trying to encourage some action with kings, just not 5 way action.

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[levAA]

this is really easy

if you raise to 500 preflop and get called you are committed to any non-A flop. so shoving is standard here.

[plzleenowhammy]

fold b/c hearts always get there

[Wish]

Shove, and feel pretty good about it. His range certainly includes slow-played AA and sucked-out trips, but it contains a lot more than that too. I would include in that range any pair, Ah9+x, or two random hearts (villains in 4/180s absolutely will call preflop reraises for 16BB with two random suited cards).