50NL - one more sucky river

[alex-star]

The villain is an unknown - this was my first orbit at the table. I just won a largish pot after flopping a BB special. How's my line? Can I call the river?

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $14.25
UTG+1: $79.80
MP1: $21.15
MP2: $36.95
CO: $23.35
Button: $22.75
Hero: $63.05
BB: $39.90

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is SB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
3 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button folds, Hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($2, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $2</font>, BB folds, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($8, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $5</font>, MP2 folds, CO calls.

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($18, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO is all-in $15.85</font>, Hero ??

[TRWIII]

I think I lay it down on the river. I don't really think you're good one time in three here unless you have a read on the villain. Against an unknown, I'd save the bet and wander on.

Anybody dump this preflop? I'll play ace-rag from the SB on a passive table, but I dont make a habit of it in general. Is that too tight?

TRWIII

[SABR42]

Call.

Also I bet the river myself probably.

[TRWIII]

Really? Is this a clear call and I'm missing something, or is it marginal? I can see the case for the river bet, but as it was played, do we really think the villain is bluffing here 1/3 of the time? If he's not, then he very probably has us beat. I suppose he might have been floating along with just an ace or middle/bottom two and saw our river check as a chance to push us off a better hand, but I find that unlikely.

TRWIII

[SABR42]

CO has a draw a lot, so if I check river I'm always calling.

It's not a trivial call, but I expect to win it enough of the time.

[ranka]

I would fold preflop because hitting ace you don't know where you are and you can't never ever hit top two. Also wheel draw is not nut draw. I wouldn't complete.

As played call.

[RyanCMU]

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Call.

Also I bet the river myself probably.

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What bet sizing are you throwing out on the river, CO has like $15 pot is $18.

I agree that we bet the river, He will put you on a draw yourself enough of the time and call w/ a decent range here. However, he is much more likely to check his marginal hand through then the times he decides to bet the river himself or run a total bluff w/ his missed draw. That doesn't mean he won't ever, so sicne we did check the river it should have been with the intention of him betting a worse hand, so we obv. have to call here.

I'm just torn if I think shoving the river looks more bluffish to him, or if we should be betting like $8ish and calling a shove.

Essentially the theme of this hand is this - We have two pair vs a small stack donk on a drawy board he could have gotten to the river with a lot of hands here, we are repping a lot of hands here. Lets load up the bus to value town.

[Ulkis]

I don't think PF is a clear call. If you call, what do you hope to see on the flop? If A flops you have a kicker problem.

[SemiteStoned]

Call