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#1
11-03-2007, 03:02 PM
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WA/WB. 3 handed TP Ok kicker
BB is loose passive.
UTG is very agressive - both before and after flop. PokerRoom 2/4 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls. Flop: (12 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, BB calls. 4-bet? I guess my preflop 3-bet AJo gets me in these kind of spots.. 
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#2
11-03-2007, 03:19 PM
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Re: WA/WB. 3 handed TP Ok kicker
Since UTG is very aggressive I cannot see anything wrong with 3-betting preflop. I also like the flop raise.
Ok, exactly HOW aggresive is UTG? Would he do this with AT-, and exactly HOW loose is BB, I mean if this isn't a dry flop I don't know what is and he's calling two cold. I don't know the best way from here, I can see three possible lines of which I would choose one. 1) Calling the 3-bet and raising turn to fold BB if he's holding 9x, the pot is BIG and you want to protect it. If he folds and UTG doesn't 3-bet, I'd take a free SD if checked to me on river. But if you think UTG is capable of 3-betting AK- maybe it's not a good idea. 2) Capping flop and call down if bet into on turn. Bet if checked to, at least on turn. 3) Merely calling down all the way, bet if checked to. I post this to help myself more than to help you [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] I hope someone with more knowledge than me can help you out.
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#3
11-03-2007, 03:33 PM
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Re: WA/WB. 3 handed TP Ok kicker
Call down from the 3 bet, if you are ahead they are drawing slim. If you are behind you are drawing very slim or dead. You can 4bet if utg is a maniac and BB a fish.
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#4
11-03-2007, 06:11 PM
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Re: WA/WB. 3 handed TP Ok kicker
Just call down from the 3-bet.
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#5
11-04-2007, 11:01 AM
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Re: WA/WB. 3 handed TP Ok kicker
I called and the turn got uglier:
By now I must be drawing dead or splitting - is a fold out of the question? PokerRoom 2/4 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls. Flop: (12 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, BB calls. Turn: (10.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>,
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#6
11-04-2007, 02:53 PM
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Re: WA/WB. 3 handed TP Ok kicker
Since you claim that UTG is very aggressive I cannot fold this, but my concern is BB.
I don't like this spot at all, I'd call, fold to a c/r from BB. If BB calls and we're of to the river I don't know. I hate not closing the action but if everyone calls and UTG bets river there's 14BB in the pot when the action gets to me. Best in 1 out of 14? 1 of 15 if BB overcalls? Dunno. Also, just want to say that I don't believe we're drawing dead.
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#7
11-04-2007, 07:07 PM
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Re: WA/WB. 3 handed TP Ok kicker
After this turn card and the action so far, I need a very specific read to call down here.
His PF UTG range + this flop action has AJ so far smoked that I don't even know if I want a J on the river.
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#8
11-04-2007, 08:59 PM
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Re: WA/WB. 3 handed TP Ok kicker
Everybody pls stop suggesting you can fold this hand!
Preflop is fine. An aggro player raises UTG 5-handed . Easy peasy 3-bet. If you dont think its an easy 3-bet you dont 3-bet enough. Flop raise is fine. Altho its a dry flop its a pretty big pot so you would like pretty much anytwo cards to fold behind you. Besides, your eq is good here. When he 3-bets you call down. Why is the turn card bad? Sure if he has AT it sucks. But when he has A2s or A9 its great because it buys us more outs. Anyone who wants to fold this turn is folding too much. Not up for debate. Stop folding!
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#10
11-05-2007, 03:53 AM
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Re: WA/WB. 3 handed TP Ok kicker
lol first i thought hero has JJ and i would probably calldown with JJ here. After i saw the comments i´m still was thinking hero has JJ lol.
With AJo, easy 3-bet preflop and flop against that Villian. I also don´t know why the turncard is a bad card for us, a Q would suck because now there is a chance we could chop with his trash Ace. Oh and i would probably call down here as well against a reasonable villain. But i´m a callingstation [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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