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10-29-2007, 01:58 AM
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$400nl: 3bet pot vs frustrated (i think?) bad (i think?) player
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Game had been 3 handed for maybe 10(?)mins and I had been raising a decent amouunt. I had 3 bet villain in hand like 3 times. Once he folded, other two times he folded to continuation bet. Few hands before this one he completed from SB when I was BB and min bet the flop. I bluff raised and he called oop. Turn check/checked and he led out river and showed 4 high. This led me to believe he was frustrated or at the least playing back. Hand Effective stacks: $400 I'm dealt A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in the SB and villain raises button to $14, I make it $50 straight, villain calls. Flop($104): 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Was going for flop check raise all in. Villain checked behind. Turn($104) 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] I check, villain bets $51 into $104, I call. (i'm not calling just to chase here) River($206): 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] I check Villain bets $102 At first I had typed out my logic/reason for playing the hand this way but then decided it might be better to take back alot of it until getting feedback first. 
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#2
10-29-2007, 02:09 AM
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Re: $400nl: 3bet pot vs frustrated (i think?) bad (i think?) player
just bet the flop and go from there
i dont think i'm a huge fan of c/c turn but his bet is pretty small
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#3
10-29-2007, 02:41 AM
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Re: $400nl: 3bet pot vs frustrated (i think?) bad (i think?) player
I figure nearly every street might be hated by alot of people. The main reason the hand played out this way was because of how I thought he was preparing to adjust and him checking the flop.
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#4
10-29-2007, 02:49 AM
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Re: $400nl: 3bet pot vs frustrated (i think?) bad (i think?) player
75 flop, push turn.
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#5
10-29-2007, 04:36 AM
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Re: $400nl: 3bet pot vs frustrated (i think?) bad (i think?) player
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75 flop, push turn. [/ QUOTE ] I felt like villain was ready to make a move and might shove over with any pair/draw, but might fold it to a check raise allin. Also didn't think he would be as bold to make a move with 100% air which I thought he'd have alot but that he would bet that since he seemed to be getting fed up. So I went for a c/r all in on flop. Logic was that me leading and calling a raise allin being likely in a race was not as good as check raising all in and having him possibly fold a slightly better hand. Also allowing him to bluff his air and get a little bit more value from that since I didn't think he'd shove over with 100% air.
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#6
10-29-2007, 04:44 AM
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Re: $400nl: 3bet pot vs frustrated (i think?) bad (i think?) player
I think you should call the river. If he has an 8/flush good for him. Vs described villain this is basically always that or a bluff and you only need to be good here 1 in 4 to make the call.
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#7
10-29-2007, 05:43 AM
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Re: $400nl: 3bet pot vs frustrated (i think?) bad (i think?) player
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I think you should call the river. If he has an 8/flush good for him. Vs described villain this is basically always that or a bluff and you only need to be good here 1 in 4 to make the call. [/ QUOTE ] This is an easy valuebet for even a bad player with 33 or A3s or 34s. It's close and I call, but don't think his range is only boats/8x.
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#8
10-29-2007, 06:06 AM
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Re: $400nl: 3bet pot vs frustrated (i think?) bad (i think?) player
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[ QUOTE ] I think you should call the river. If he has an 8/flush good for him. Vs described villain this is basically always that or a bluff and you only need to be good here 1 in 4 to make the call. [/ QUOTE ] This is an easy valuebet for even a bad player with 33 or A3s or 34s. It's close and I call, but don't think his range is only boats/8x. [/ QUOTE ] yea, for sure, I just think it's somewhat unlikely he shows up with a 3 in his hand here, and a boat is super unlikely given his flop check. But yea, I agree that even bad villains are probably value betting a 3 here.
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#10
10-29-2007, 09:24 AM
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Re: $400nl: 3bet pot vs frustrated (i think?) bad (i think?) player
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[ QUOTE ] I think you should call the river. If he has an 8/flush good for him. Vs described villain this is basically always that or a bluff and you only need to be good here 1 in 4 to make the call. [/ QUOTE ] This is an easy valuebet for even a bad player with 33 or A3s or 34s. It's close and I call, but don't think his range is only boats/8x. [/ QUOTE ] Interesting. I didn't think he was the type that would be aware enough to value bet a 3 (could be underestimating here but I felt like he'd check non 8 hands that he felt had showdown value) and definitely wasn't going to give him credit for a boat. I didn't feel he would be checking pairs much on the flop, let alone sets/two pairs. I was making alot of assumptions based on how I thought he would be adjusting from how good I thought he was :/ Surprised I didn't get more heat for c/c'ing turn. Anyone bet/fold turn? c/r all in turn?
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