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Old 10-28-2007, 10:34 PM
oyvindgee oyvindgee is offline
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Default 5/10: Just praying he can\'t read hands really

Villain is 32/1/2.6 and couldn't possibly be less tricky.

Poker Stars, $5/$10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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SB: $967.75
BB: $175
UTG: $1,792.85
Hero (CO): $1,654
BTN: $1,107

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG calls $10, <font color="red">Hero raises to $45</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls $35

Flop: ($105) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $200</font>, UTG calls $150

Turn: ($505) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $160</font>, Hero calls $160

River: ($825) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $300</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1,249 and is All-In</font>

I'm pretty sure he has something like a T. My hand obv looks like exactly what it is, but does it matter? Also, anyone raise turn?
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Old 10-28-2007, 10:44 PM
DMoogle DMoogle is offline
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Default Re: 5/10: Just praying he can\'t read hands really

This is something I do often when I'm not playing well and on a downswing.

That said, would you say that him not 3-betting the flop eliminates flopped two pairs and sets from his range?
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Old 10-28-2007, 10:45 PM
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Default Re: 5/10: Just praying he can\'t read hands really

I hate those turn spots. I think with a draw as big as yours shoving turn is ok. Often he wants a cheap showdown so ill shove to deny him that. They dont call off that often unless they are 2 pair+.

Im not crazy about river because like you acknowledged your hand looks exactly like a draw and unless he is completely braindead he is gonna call with most hands hes betting the river with.
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Old 10-28-2007, 10:53 PM
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Default Re: 5/10: Just praying he can\'t read hands really

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I hate those turn spots. I think with a draw as big as yours shoving turn is ok. Often he wants a cheap showdown so ill shove to deny him that. They dont call off that often unless they are 2 pair+.

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Shoving would be quite an overbet. You see that they're 165BBs deep, right? But then again, if he doesn't have two pair+, he has to have some balls to call off such a big bet with AT or whatever.

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Im not crazy about river because like you acknowledged your hand looks exactly like a draw and unless he is completely braindead he is gonna call with most hands hes betting the river with.

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Except missed draws, which may be a pretty decent part of his range.
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Old 10-28-2007, 11:10 PM
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Default Re: 5/10: Just praying he can\'t read hands really

Does a single T really play itself like this? What does the limp-calling say?

Edit: Oh, he always does that, doesn't he?
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Old 10-28-2007, 11:13 PM
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Default Re: 5/10: Just praying he can\'t read hands really

He`s not folding a made hand for sure. You may someimes get him off ace high or KQ. You realize overpairs are in his range, right?!
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Old 10-28-2007, 11:16 PM
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Default Re: 5/10: Just praying he can\'t read hands really

turn raise is good but i usually do the same as you and take the cheap price
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Old 10-28-2007, 11:32 PM
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Default Re: 5/10: Just praying he can\'t read hands really

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I hate those turn spots. I think with a draw as big as yours shoving turn is ok. Often he wants a cheap showdown so ill shove to deny him that. They dont call off that often unless they are 2 pair+.

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Shoving would be quite an overbet. You see that they're 165BBs deep, right? But then again, if he doesn't have two pair+, he has to have some balls to call off such a big bet with AT or whatever.

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Im not crazy about river because like you acknowledged your hand looks exactly like a draw and unless he is completely braindead he is gonna call with most hands hes betting the river with.

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Except missed draws, which may be a pretty decent part of his range.

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Didnt notice stack sizes. That definitly changes things.


Your second argument means we should call then? Meh, I hate these spots. Calling sucks cause its so often some crap hand like A9 or AT trying to get to showdown cheap. I guess I just raise the turn deepstack or not to give my hand legitimacy by the river.
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Old 10-28-2007, 11:46 PM
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Default Re: 5/10: Just praying he can\'t read hands really

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This is something I do often when I'm not playing well and on a downswing.

That said, would you say that him not 3-betting the flop eliminates flopped two pairs and sets from his range?

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Not entirely since I haven't seen him play any monsters before, but his aggresion factor should indicate that he would threebet at least top 2+.

Matt: JJ might be in his range, but I do believe he open raises at least QQ+.
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Old 10-28-2007, 11:52 PM
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Default Re: 5/10: Just praying he can\'t read hands really

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This is something I do often when I'm not playing well and on a downswing.

That said, would you say that him not 3-betting the flop eliminates flopped two pairs and sets from his range?

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Not entirely since I haven't seen him play any monsters before, but his aggresion factor should indicate that he would threebet at least top 2+.

Matt: JJ might be in his range, but I do believe he open raises at least QQ+.

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Not saying you are surely wrong but when ppl open less than 2% of their hands they usually dont do it with the very top of their range ime.
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