Lame spot with AK...

markuisis · #1 10-25-2007, 04:25 PM

Villain is a complete idiot (lagfish), he has been 3betting a LOT so I decided to make a small 4bet which might seem like a frustrated play and hed come over the top lightly - unfortunately the donk that he is decided to cold call for 1/3 of effective stack (my stack). What do u guys do on this flop?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: $109.50
CO: $120.85
BTN: $220.55
SB: $109.85
BB: $106.30
Hero (UTG): $102.45

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, BTN raises to $10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $30, BTN calls $20

Flop: ($61.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero?

GSykes · #2 10-25-2007, 04:27 PM

I 3bet more PF like 35-40? Is that bad

markuisis · #3 10-25-2007, 04:29 PM

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I 3bet more PF like 35-40? Is that bad

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so do I usually if I wanted to get it in with AK but I felt that small 4bet might look more like a play and get him to commit more lightly, I didnt think that hed cold call here.

fingersmith · #4 10-25-2007, 04:35 PM

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I 3bet more PF like 35-40? Is that bad

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I don't think 4betting more is a good idea actually, if anything, you can make it less than 30 here.

nazahl · #5 10-25-2007, 04:30 PM

sucks but u should prob check/fold

thac · #6 10-25-2007, 04:32 PM

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sucks but u should prob check/fold

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markuisis · #7 10-25-2007, 04:39 PM

Here are some examples of his brilliant play:

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LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $124.40
BB: $48.60
UTG (villain): $94
MP: $161.65
CO: $235.80
BTN: $143.30

Pre-Flop:
UTG raises to $3.50, 2 folds, BTN calls $3.50, SB folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($11) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, UTG bets $7, BTN calls $7, BB folds

Turn: ($25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG bets $15, BTN calls $15

River: ($55) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG bets $29, BTN calls $29

Results: $113 Pot ($3 Rake)
UTG showed T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Nines) and LOST (-$54.50 NET)
BTN showed Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and WON $110 (+$55.50 NET)

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $125.90
BB: $45.05
UTG (villain): $95.65
MP: $166.65
CO: $237.30
BTN: $144.70

Pre-Flop:
UTG raises to $3.50, 2 folds, BTN raises to $12, SB folds, BB calls $11, UTG calls $8.50

Flop: ($36.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, UTG checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($36.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB bets $33.05 and is All-In, UTG calls $33.05, BTN folds

River: ($102.60) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $102.60 Pot ($3 Rake)
BB showed 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a full house, Sevens full of Aces) and WON $99.60 (+$54.55 NET)
UTG showed J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Jacks) and LOST (-$45.05 NET)

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LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $100
SB: $128.50
BB (villain): $215.85
UTG: $141.10
MP: $99.90
CO: $189.35

Pre-Flop:
UTG calls $1, 3 folds, SB calls $0.50, BB raises to $4, UTG calls $3, SB folds

Flop: ($9) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB bets $6, UTG calls $6

Turn: ($21) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB bets $21, UTG calls $21

River: ($63) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, UTG checks

Results: $63 Pot ($3 Rake)
BB showed 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pair, Sixes and Fours) and LOST (-$31 NET)
UTG showed J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Jacks and Sixes) and WON $60 (+$29 NET)

Do u guys really c/f against this idiot?

markuisis · #8 10-25-2007, 05:03 PM

anybody revise views after seeing this history?

Lefort · #9 10-25-2007, 05:51 PM

What sucks against these opponents is that you generally need to make hands to take advantage of how bad they are... when you do, you make a ton... but when you don't, its ultra-frustrating... which is why the lagtards seem to somehow survive... as bad as they seem, they're probably marginally +ev or slightly -ev, with massive variance.

[EDIT..oops, thought stacks were deeper..] I like your pf play... I think with this one I just c/f...