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Old 10-24-2007, 01:38 PM
I R BABOON I R BABOON is offline
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Default straight meets 3rd flush on river again

stats over +-100 hands
BB = 87/26/0.66 do I need to say more
BTN = 66/20/1.29 and is the king of (backdoor) draws

CO ($0.94)
Button ($1.17)
SB ($2.42)
BB ($8.19)
MP3 ($2.03) (Hero)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, BB calls,

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ( 3.2BB )
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, BB calls,

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ( 6.2BB )
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, BB calls,

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ( 12.2BB )
BB checks, Hero ???

I've been crushed by so many (back door) draws on the river the last 2 days that I have become result oriented. I'm not sure what to do here anymore. I got a feeling I'm calling them down to much on the river.

I think I should b/f but maybe c/c is better.
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Old 10-24-2007, 01:43 PM
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Default Re: straight meets 3rd flush on river again

easy bet
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Old 10-24-2007, 01:51 PM
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Default Re: straight meets 3rd flush on river again

Yeah, the river is an easy bet.
But I was wondering why you raised the flop???
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Old 10-24-2007, 01:51 PM
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Default Re: straight meets 3rd flush on river again

Then fold to a raise ?
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Old 10-24-2007, 01:53 PM
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Default Re: straight meets 3rd flush on river again

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But I was wondering why you raised the flop???

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I was trying to make a stand against BB who kept pushing over me with all his weird hands.
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Old 10-24-2007, 02:01 PM
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Default Re: straight meets 3rd flush on river again

i don't see the value in raising pf against these guys since you have no showdown value and they're folding so rarely. flop raise is bad. i b/c the river against these idiots ("i has a pair of aces! i raise!").
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Old 10-24-2007, 02:11 PM
Aaron W. Aaron W. is offline
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Default Re: straight meets 3rd flush on river again

Preflop raise is fine. Even if they're not folding, you've got a good hand to play with that is still in very very good shape against their hand range. Flop raise is bad. Taking a stand against an aggro player with J-high is bad. Just call and get your raises in when you have a hand.

Bet-call the river.
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Old 10-24-2007, 02:38 PM
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Default Re: straight meets 3rd flush on river again

I bet the river and call a raise. Villain only needs to be bluff-raising the scare card (or just raising with set/two pair) 6.6% of the time for this to be a profitable call.
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Old 10-24-2007, 03:53 PM
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Default Re: straight meets 3rd flush on river again

* grunch *

This is no backdoor flush completing on river. The draw was there on the flop.

I'm pretty sure we beat BB here. BTN is relatively aggressive for a player with that high vpip.

Bet and call.

That ace will hit their hands nicely and actually makes it a little less likely you are against a flush here. You might get a raise from a pair of aces here a lot of the time on this level.

You still have to give some credit to a raise though as BTN cold-calling flop and turn does seem to indicate he could be on draw, most likely FD.
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Old 10-24-2007, 04:02 PM
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Default Re: straight meets 3rd flush on river again

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This is no backdoor flush completing on river. The draw was there on the flop.

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I know, I never said that his hand was BDFD
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