50NL - KK - turn line?

[Split Suit]

i hate posting AA/KK hands...but after talking this over with a few ppl and gettin a wide range of advice, i figured id post it.

villian is 18/8/8 thru 80hands
Hero is 10/8/4 thru 80 hands

Villian bet very quickly on the turn (looks to b a snap-PSB)

Q1- are u betting the turn?
Q2- why?
Q3- as played are u calling? if so, are u shoving river? or letting an aggro villian hang himself?
Q4- as played, if u CRAI, what do u expect to get called by?



Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $45.25
SB: $22.55
BB: $34.40
UTG: $93.65
UTG+1: $21.80
Hero (UTG+2): $57.60
MP1: $47.90
MP2: $60.60
CO: $46.95

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG+2)
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $3, 5 folds

Flop: ($7.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $5.50</font>, MP2 calls $5.50

Turn: ($18.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP2 bets $18.25</font>, Hero ???

[CalledDownLight]

Played well if you shoved turn. I think you get called by all kinds of pocket pairs enough to make this good. If he is bluffing here then he's not going to be bluffing the river much.

[coordi]

crai ftw

most pps hes bet so hard are calling, of course any 9s

[illini43]

Betting the turn will probably fold out smaller pocket pairs who are afraid they have a smaller two pair or you just tripped up.

Checking allows these hands to fire at the pot. Your line so far: pfr - bet - check looks a lot like overcards so a mid pp would be very tempted to take a shot at the pot here. Checking allows you to get some more value out of a hand that might fold to a bet on the turn.

If he has a set or a 9, you are getting your $ in regardless. Checking the turn, planning to push, allows you to pick up some more money from a hand that might otherwise fold if you don't slow down.

[wikemang]

c/r AI here [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Split Suit]

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Betting the turn will probably fold out smaller pocket pairs who are afraid they have a smaller two pair or you just tripped up.

Checking allows these hands to fire at the pot. Your line so far: pfr - bet - check looks a lot like overcards so a mid pp would be very tempted to take a shot at the pot here. Checking allows you to get some more value out of a hand that might fold to a bet on the turn.

If he has a set or a 9, you are getting your $ in regardless. Checking the turn, planning to push, allows you to pick up some more money from a hand that might otherwise fold if you don't slow down.

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cudnt have sed it better myself as far as reasons for checking

so 3 for CRAI, 1 for open-shove...

do ppl think we get calld by 55-88?

also, i think CRAI gets max value off TT-QQ that now think they are best

[deafsheep]

Nobody assumes calling turn here? I think that calling is OK, as it creates more space for TT-QQ. I think raise all-in here is too readable. Villain has about $30 left in stack, and I don't think that TT-QQ will call your shove here, as your action look exactly like a 9, if you raise all-in. I'm more for calling here, and calling reasonable (or any) bet on river, because your opponent is very agressive.

[seki]

Hero's line and crai turn seems correct to me, as well. With OPs stats, he's not raising a lot of 9s preflop other than PP. Villain isn't going to be thinking quads, so he's more likely to call 2-1 than bluff the river. If hero smooth calls the turn, villain will fire the river with better, and check behind with worse = no value.

[Split Suit]

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Hero's line and crai turn seems correct to me, as well. With OPs stats, he's not raising a lot of 9s preflop other than PP. Villain isn't going to be thinking quads, so he's more likely to call 2-1 than bluff the river. If hero smooth calls the turn, villain will fire the river with better, and check behind with worse = no value.

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agreed as far as why i cant take the b/(c/c)/(c/c) line here. if i call the turn, i have to open shove the river i think