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Old 10-20-2007, 11:33 AM
Scaramouche Scaramouche is offline
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Default 2 pair and FD facing turn check raise

Villain is 27/13/1.7 (250h) Just sat down, no other reads.


Converted with iPoker network converter at KJpoker.com

Played at iPoker network, BB: $2.00
5 players, seat 5 is the button

Seat 1: UTG ($163.35)
Seat 3: CO ($111.50)
Seat 5: BTN ($187.10)
Seat 6: SB ($199.83)
Seat 10: <font color="#C80000">Hero</font> ($200.00)

Dealing to <font color="#C80000">Hero</font>:9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

UTG calls, CO folds, BTN folds, SB calls, <font color="#C80000">Hero</font> checks,

Dealing flop: (Pot is $7.00) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img],4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],
SB bets $6, <font color="#C80000">Hero</font> raises to $24, UTG folds, SB calls,

Dealing turn: (Pot is $55.00) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],
SB checks, <font color="#C80000">Hero</font> bets $42, SB raises to $122, <font color="#C80000">Hero</font> [i]??
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Old 10-20-2007, 11:38 AM
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Default Re: 2 pair and FD facing turn check raise

Instashove, because you've got 2 pair and a FD facing a turn check/raise.
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Old 10-20-2007, 11:43 AM
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Default Re: 2 pair and FD facing turn check raise

I s'pose you've gotta get it in here. His line makes no sense, given the drawyness of the board sets and 2pairs should be getting it in on the flop. I think most likely he sucks with QJ.
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Old 10-20-2007, 11:47 AM
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Default Re: 2 pair and FD facing turn check raise

Only hand to be worried about is KJ(non spades). SHOVE
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Old 10-20-2007, 11:49 AM
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Default Re: 2 pair and FD facing turn check raise

he can't have JK or QT here or a badly played set? We have 2 pair here, but the only other likely 2 pair hand QT beats us, as do the sets and straights. I'm probably getting it in here but not really loving it.
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Old 10-20-2007, 08:31 PM
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Default Re: 2 pair and FD facing turn check raise

He's really passive (1.7 AF) and his line looks very strong. I have 2 pair and FD but what part of his range do I beat?
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Old 10-20-2007, 08:41 PM
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Default Re: 2 pair and FD facing turn check raise

I usually call the flop, but it's a bit depending on the guys left to act. If you really want to raise don't make it so big.

Now stack off.
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Old 10-20-2007, 08:53 PM
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Default Re: 2 pair and FD facing turn check raise

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I usually call the flop, but it's a bit depending on the guys left to act. If you really want to raise don't make it so big.

Now stack off.

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The flop raise was big indeed. I wanted to build a pot, but now I think I should raise less. On the turn I can't see a single hand that I beat. Why stack off here? What do I beat? T9 is very unlikely,AQ, AA KK, either...
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Old 10-20-2007, 09:00 PM
Nick Royale Nick Royale is offline
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Default Re: 2 pair and FD facing turn check raise

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I usually call the flop, but it's a bit depending on the guys left to act. If you really want to raise don't make it so big.

Now stack off.

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The flop raise was big indeed. I wanted to build a pot, but now I think I should raise less.

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Why do you want to build a pot on the flop? Why not call? When you get called most of your TP value has gone down the drain and you're now hoping to hit 2-pair+. Unless villain has a draw.


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On the turn I can't see a single hand that I beat. Why stack off here? What do I beat? T9 is very unlikely,AQ, AA KK, either...

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You have 13 outs vs his most likely hand, the odds of hitting is 2.5:1. Your pot odds is 2:1. You don't really need to be ahead that often. I ain't gonna do a calc, but not often at all. And I don't think you should bet unless you're stacking off with this hand.
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Old 10-20-2007, 09:08 PM
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Default Re: 2 pair and FD facing turn check raise

You're right. Thank you.
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