77 utg vs chez

efficacy · #1 10-14-2007, 10:44 PM

PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 3 folds, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (7 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises

This is the last bet I'm putting in obviously. I think he will fold a ton of 6 outers and maybe some pairs that beat me(?)

jr4284 · #2 10-14-2007, 11:00 PM

I don't like it.

6-outers are juuuuuust barely making a good call on your raise, but you're taking away his chance to bluff the river, which he's doing just about 100% of the time here. And hands that beat you I don't think are folding.

I don't have personal experience w/ chez tho.

*edit* the only pairs that he folds that u beat is 88, IMO.

yourface · #3 10-14-2007, 11:09 PM

chez has a really strong range here and I don't think that he's going to be folding anything you want him to

I think a better line would be calling and folding the river UI. you're hoping he has exactly AQ or maybe AJs and I think it is very doubtful that he fires those again on the river UI as a bluff

efficacy · #4 10-14-2007, 11:11 PM

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6-outers are juuuuuust barely making a good call on your raise

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This is a good point that I hadn't considered.

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but you're taking away his chance to bluff the river, which he's doing just about 100% of the time here.

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Is that really the standard play from a TAG? If I had AT-AQ and got to the river with the lead UI, I'd probably be check folding on this board.

yourface · #5 10-14-2007, 11:17 PM

honestly guys this is chezzy mcnitlaw we're talking about and he's 3betting an UTG raise from OOP. he doesn't have any hands without SD value in his range and I really doubt he's going to turn ace high into a bluff on the river

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disclaimer: my knowledge of chez's nittiness is strictly second hand and may or may not be the actual case. still, his hand range is going to be really strong here

efficacy · #6 10-14-2007, 11:19 PM

let's say I call the turn and the river bricks off. Chez checks to me, and I ... (?)

yourface · #7 10-14-2007, 11:29 PM

depends how he views you but I think he is going to be folding or raising after he checks.

he likely value bets all his pairs, c/f his missed Ax hands and maybe sexy with AK or a set. pretty sure your hand range is exactly 55 77 88 maybe TT here

yourface · #8 10-14-2007, 11:30 PM

vs a weak TAG who is bad at hand reading vb that shtt all day though because he's going to pay off with ace high

I just don't think chez will here

danzasmack · #9 10-14-2007, 11:30 PM

op this play is always bad if you never play a king like this.

efficacy · #10 10-14-2007, 11:44 PM

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op this play is always bad if you never play a king like this.

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I would play a king like this a good percentage of the time.