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Old 10-09-2007, 06:24 PM
catoandtonic catoandtonic is offline
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Default 25nl Thin value or phat spew- River play

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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Hero (SB): $27.15
BB: $24.90
UTG: $81.95
MP: $10.35 <--Villain
CO: $16.65
BTN: $24.55


<font color="blue"> Villain is 22/4/3 over roughly 250 hands. I dont think much of his play, but he isnt terrible post-flop.</font>

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($1) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks

Turn: ($1) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks

River: ($1) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $0.75</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $2.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $11</font>
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My default line would usually be to flat call mp's raise. Lately, I've been searching for ways to get more value out of my hands, especially on river. This hand one of the situations I am currently examining to see if I miss bets. Thoughts on river play is what I am seeking, but thoughts on any street are welcome. </font>
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Old 10-09-2007, 06:29 PM
rothko rothko is offline
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Default Re: 25nl Thin value or phat spew- River play

just call, too must checking, who knows what's going on here. if you're behind you lose on the raise, if you're ahead villain will generally fold.
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Old 10-09-2007, 06:32 PM
Jewrilla Jewrilla is offline
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Default Re: 25nl Thin value or phat spew- River play

looks fine, given how low his pfr is seems he def has a 10 and u can get him to make crying call.
i don't think a boat is the only thing he raises with.
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Old 10-09-2007, 06:41 PM
CmnDwnWrkn CmnDwnWrkn is offline
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Default Re: 25nl Thin value or phat spew- River play

Looks good to me. I can't see him checking both the flop AND the turn with QK, Q9, or QJ, I think he would have raised preflop with KK or JJ, and I think he would have bet the turn with nines. Tx is most likely.
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Old 10-09-2007, 07:04 PM
Jw513 Jw513 is offline
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Default Re: 25nl Thin value or phat spew- River play

[ QUOTE ]
Looks good to me. I can't see him checking both the flop AND the turn with QK, Q9, or QJ, I think he would have raised preflop with KK or JJ, and I think he would have bet the turn with nines. Tx is most likely.

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Yup. But the raise might be too large for him to call with 10x. A raise to $9 would have been better
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Old 10-09-2007, 07:07 PM
Numfar Numfar is offline
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Default Re: 25nl Thin value or phat spew- River play

He's short so I assume the raise was designed to put him AI. Looks fine.
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Old 10-09-2007, 07:31 PM
Hail Eris Hail Eris is offline
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Default Re: 25nl Thin value or phat spew- River play

Well, I bet this dude has a boat pretty much never, so raising is cool. I just don't think he calls this much with a naked T. I'd probably make it $7 or something.
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Old 10-09-2007, 07:59 PM
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Default Re: 25nl Thin value or phat spew- River play

For those who didn't notice, villian only has 7.35 behind on river.

A PSR would be around 7.75.

I think a raise is fine and will get called by a lone ten.

If villain had a full stack I think a raise to $7 would be better.
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Old 10-09-2007, 08:36 PM
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Default Re: 25nl Thin value or phat spew- River play

fold or raise preflop????? Weak limped ace against 3 villains OOP is spew for me
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Old 10-09-2007, 09:03 PM
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Default Re: 25nl Thin value or phat spew- River play

I usually regret re-raising here.

I vote for thin spew.

Rothko puts it well.
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