NL 50: QQ vs LAG

WCGRider · #1 10-04-2007, 04:09 AM

Villain is 24/13/2 over 800 hands.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($51.25)
SB ($26.65)
BB ($61.60)
UTG ($13)
UTG+1 ($30.45)
MP1 ($8.75)
MP2 ($57.50)
Hero ($66.45)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.50, Hero|CO raises to $4, 2 folds, BB raises to $10, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero|CO calls $6.50.

Flop: ($21.25) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $18, Hero|CO folds.

Final Pot: $57.25

Do you change the line at all?

threads13 · #2 10-04-2007, 09:23 AM

Are you putting this guy on AK/JJ+ or something when he reraises you preflop?

AlexB182 · #3 10-04-2007, 09:29 AM

Wow, this is pretty much a perfect flop for QQ with a PF raise. No overs, no FDs, not even a T or J which could've made the PF raiser a set.
I think your decision here is pretty read dependant, but villain seems to be rather aggressive. Did he 3bet much? Did you get to see one of his 3bet hands? Did you get to see some of the hands he made a CB with?
Problem is that this could easily be a CB with AK, JJ or maybe even AQs. Honestly, I think we could even discuss shoving regarding villains stats...

threads13 · #4 10-04-2007, 09:37 AM

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Wow, this is pretty much a perfect flop for QQ with a PF raise. No overs, no FDs, not even a T or J which could've made the PF raiser a set.
I think your decision here is pretty read dependant, but villain seems to be rather aggressive. Did he 3bet much? Did you get to see one of his 3bet hands? Did you get to see some of the hands he made a CB with?
Problem is that this could easily be a CB with AK, JJ or maybe even AQs. Honestly, I think we could even discuss shoving regarding villains stats...

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Do you mean shoving preflop or the flop?

CalledDownLight · #5 10-04-2007, 10:03 AM

I think this is fine on the flop although I don't understand your pfr at all.

PokerFun007 · #6 10-04-2007, 10:07 AM

Does his aggression factor of 2 come into play. I don't consider him out of line most after the flop with that aggression factor. I'm guessing he has what he's representing AA or KK. I would not be willing to risk 100bb shoving this...but maybe I'm a nit...or just sick of crazy variance swings.

AlexB182 · #7 10-04-2007, 10:31 AM

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Wow, this is pretty much a perfect flop for QQ with a PF raise. No overs, no FDs, not even a T or J which could've made the PF raiser a set.
I think your decision here is pretty read dependant, but villain seems to be rather aggressive. Did he 3bet much? Did you get to see one of his 3bet hands? Did you get to see some of the hands he made a CB with?
Problem is that this could easily be a CB with AK, JJ or maybe even AQs. Honestly, I think we could even discuss shoving regarding villains stats...

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Do you mean shoving preflop or the flop?

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On the flop. I close to never shove PF with QQ. On such a favourable flop I would at least think about it.

threads13 · #8 10-04-2007, 10:39 AM

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Wow, this is pretty much a perfect flop for QQ with a PF raise. No overs, no FDs, not even a T or J which could've made the PF raiser a set.
I think your decision here is pretty read dependant, but villain seems to be rather aggressive. Did he 3bet much? Did you get to see one of his 3bet hands? Did you get to see some of the hands he made a CB with?
Problem is that this could easily be a CB with AK, JJ or maybe even AQs. Honestly, I think we could even discuss shoving regarding villains stats...

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Do you mean shoving preflop or the flop?

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On the flop. I close to never shove PF with QQ. On such a favourable flop I would at least think about it.

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Why not shove preflop here?

AlexB182 · #9 10-04-2007, 10:58 AM

Because PF, we only get called by AA, KK and AK. AA and KK obviously crush us and we are racing against AK.
With such a favourable flop, I think we are in a far better position: of course AA and KK still crush us, but we are now clearly ahead against AK (which he could easily ahve made a CB with here) and there is even a chance we get payed off by an aggressively played JJ.
I honestly just have to admit that I don't like stacking off with QQ PF.

threads13 · #10 10-04-2007, 11:15 AM

I think if you are calling on preflop then this is the type of flop you are wanting to get AI on.

In short, your preflop play doesn't jive with your postflop play. I think preflop is the interesting decision and it is something that I toil with a lot.