Call all in on flop with AA?

UCanThankMeL8r · #1 10-03-2007, 02:10 PM

Button is 91/45/1.4 (2.75 AF on flop)
CO is 38/19/1.5

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Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $24.50
UTG+1: $26.45
CO: $24.40
Button: $44.40
SB: $9.50
Hero: $23.50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $0.5, Button calls, SB calls, Hero raises to $3, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($12, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $1, Button raises to $20, SB folds, Hero raises all-in $20.25, CO calls all-in $20.15, Button calls.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($74.55, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $72.75, Sidepot 1: $1.8)

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($74.55, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $72.75, Sidepot 1: $1.8)

Results:
Final pot: $74.55

PJo336 · #2 10-03-2007, 02:11 PM

whyd you check? But yes Im all in in 2 sec against monkeys with those stats and expect to see top/mid pair and who the hell knows from the button. Also str8 draws with J9/KJ. Sometimes someone will show up with something beating u but not enuff to not be profitable here

UCanThankMeL8r · #3 10-03-2007, 02:15 PM

I checked with the intention of raising. The button had been betting nearly every flop, and I knew he'd put money in the pot while he was behind.

GeraldGiraffe · #4 10-03-2007, 02:15 PM

Yes, that's pretty much a snap call. I'm also intrigued as to whether there was a reason you checked the flop? Did you figure you'd get the money in faster that way? People show up with 2 pair or a set here sometimes, but the CO could well be calling with a draw and top pair's definitely a possibility for someone's holding. I would imagine the button's doing this with any part of the flop. If he had a 2, then that's unlucky but you want to get a lot of money in here against the guy with AA on what's a fairly safe flop.

wikemang · #5 10-03-2007, 02:34 PM

Lead flop with the intention of getting it all-in. As played, snapcall all-in.

You're No Daisy · #6 10-03-2007, 02:36 PM

Based on the stats that each villain has, this is a no brainer. I think you're probably up against AQ, KQ-KT, J9 and possibly KK. On the flop, you're behind 22, TT, QT, and QQ...I'm discounting Q2 and T2 because unless the CO and button are just clueless I seriously doubt they would call a big reraise with Q2 or T2. However, I really think you're ahead of their ranges here and should definitely call!

Button is probably playing broadway cards, anything suited, and all pocket pairs. You're way ahead of his range. CO is probably playing broadway cards and all pocket pairs. I ran the numbers in Poker Stove and you're way ahead of their ranges.

52,675,602 games 0.660 secs 79,811,518 games/sec

Board: 2s Tc Qh
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hero: 64.055% 63.56% 00.49% 33480697 260476.83 { AcAd }
Cutoff: 21.022% 20.46% 00.56% 10776938 296288.83 { 22+, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
Button: 14.924% 14.56% 00.36% 7669597 191604.33 { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 82s+, 72s+, 62s+, 52s+, 42s+, 32s, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }

AC

Lostit · #7 10-03-2007, 03:11 PM

I gotta throw out QQ and 10 10 in this scenario as neither of these monkeys, with a PFR of 45 and 18, is likely to sit on a QQ preflop and not reraise.

To me, I'm thinking 22, QT, KQ, J9, and KJ here, so I've GOTTA call here, but I'm not happy about it. The other thing to consider is that the CO had actually bet $1, the first time around on the flop, so he's screaming draw to me. Its a weak donkey bet that you'll see at these levels. It also explains why he calls the all-in bets when its a three way pot. He's coming pretty close to being priced on his draw with 3-1 odds on the $19 it requires to call after you and megadonk were already in. I'd put him on the KJ, or J9. Megadonk on the other hand is my only concern and he could have two pair or a set. Either way, I have to call, and beat 2 donks, which is a tough spot.

The other reason that I'm not happy about it is that donks like this are capable of waking up with ANY hand, because they play EVERY hand. I can usually ring them up like ATM's, but its mainly through value betting each street, and making them pay to chase their draws, not calling their big bets. Sure you'll catch them bluffing a decent amount of times, but its not necesarily where I'll make my money off of them. Remember, they wake up with the most bizarre hands that connect with boards you'd never expect.

This goes back to aggression paying off in a multitude of ways. If you've been betting these guys relentlessly, particularly 91/45 guy, you'd have him on his heels, and therefore you'd know exactly what his all-in raise meant. Previous aggression in other hands would make this hand a lot easier to read.

Logun · #8 10-03-2007, 03:32 PM

lead the flop and fist pump call AI

You're No Daisy · #9 10-03-2007, 05:05 PM

I agree with everything you said, Lostit. This is one of these situations where I have to rely heavily on the stats because you're right, megadonk with a VPIP of 91 probably hit this board in some way we wouldn't even think of. Still, I'm calling because someone is overly optomistic with a draw and the other guy probably has AQ or KQ.

Really, against someone who enters the pot 91% of the time, do we really know where we stand? Correct me if I'm wrong.

It seems everytime I get into a situation like this I have to go with my stats and my gut and think I have someone who plays like that dominated.

AC