3/6.Online. I missed a value bet :-(

BubbleMint · #1 10-01-2007, 05:15 PM

I know I missed a value bet on the river here, not being results orientated, but villain had no reason to suspect he could c/r me.

Any other errors in the line I took ??

UTG: I have a note saying he is very loose in calling raises. K5o from MP and Q6o for 3 bet from the SB. I have no idea what his UTG raising range is.

I paid to post, hence only 1sb for me to call. If it were 2sb I would have passed.

Preflop: Hero is in the CO-1 with T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises, 4 folds, Hero calls 1sb after posting, 2 folds, SB calls , BB folds.

Flop (7SB) 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Normally a raise for me here, not sure why I flat called. MUBS maybe.

Turn (5BB) J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB checks, UTG bets 6, Hero calls 6, SB calls 6.

River (8BB) 9
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks like a fool !!

One Outer · #2 10-01-2007, 05:34 PM

Yeah, there should have been a flop raise. The problem is as played, you can't really raise the turn. The river might be a closer decision than you think. I probably bet that, but I can't blame you for checking it. The SB has to be sticking around for a reason.

Allday Everyday · #3 10-01-2007, 11:59 PM

If you hadn't posted your BB in H/J I would have folded even against this weird player. Given that you posted, I wonder if a raise would be better than a call!? But calling seems fine.

Yeah, I think with the guy behind you and a decent sized pot this really needs to be raised at the flop with top top.

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MUBS maybe

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I'm not sure if I'm too nerd, or not nerd enough to know what this means.

As played, I torn with what to do on the turn. Part of me wants to raise, the other wants to call.

Yeah I think this is an easy river value bet. I think you'll be called with a worse hand more times than called with something better. I'd generally fold to a check-raise from either of them.

Ricks · #4 10-02-2007, 12:21 AM

Monsters Under the Bed Syndrome

Aces McGee · #5 10-02-2007, 12:41 AM

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Yeah, there should have been a flop raise. The problem is as played, you can't really raise the turn.

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Can you explain why you like a raise on the flop but not on the turn?

-McGee

One Outer · #6 10-02-2007, 01:42 AM

Uh, I guess he could raise the turn in theory. I just don't think it's a very good idea. I think the J is about one of the worst cards that could come for hero's hand. Given how bad we know villain is I think most of the time if he's still betting we're behind. We're a lot more likely to be good on the flop.

If one thinks that getting rid of the SB is worth putting in the extra bet then a raise makes sense. Just given what we know I think we're behind the majority of the time on the turn. Too bad we don't know more about villain.

Aces McGee · #7 10-02-2007, 08:56 AM

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I think the J is about one of the worst cards that could come for hero's hand.

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Why?

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Just given what we know I think we're behind the majority of the time on the turn.

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I think you're giving UTG far too much credit. Ace-high and pairs<10 are betting a lot here in this game.

-McGee