KK i play weak

[ejay]

The sb is a 16/13/2.7 straight forward tag and him cc my pf raise with a combination of flop lead made me think i could have been behind already. other guy is donkish

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $195.00
BB: $197.00
UTG: $142.84
MP: $247.67
CO: $260.00
Hero (BTN): $200.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP calls $2.00, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10.00</font>, SB calls $9.00, BB folds, MP calls $8.00

Flop: ($32) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $19.00</font>, MP calls $19.00, Hero calls $19.00

Turn: ($89) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $76.00</font>, MP calls $76.00, Hero folds

[mdkrahn]

nice hand.

[ASPoker8]

raise flop, you are behind TJ and 44. that is it.

[ManChild]

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raise flop, you are behind TJ and 44. that is it.

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a 16/13 doesn't necessarily 3bet PF here with JJ and TT

[ASPoker8]

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raise flop, you are behind TJ and 44. that is it.

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a 16/13 doesn't necessarily 3bet PF here with JJ and TT

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hes not 3betting a button raiser with JJ/TT

i find that hard to believe

[ejay]

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raise flop, you are behind TJ and 44. that is it.

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a 16/13 doesn't necessarily 3bet PF here with JJ and TT

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this is what i was thinking

[ejay]

also i dono if he is leading with AJ,KJ or something on a flop .

[Xanta]

A nitty TAG donkbetting into a 3way pot on a drawy flop is going for b/3bAI very frequently. I like your flop line.

Oh, and thinking that he's always 3betting TT and JJ pre is just projecting your play onto someone that's not you. It makes you a bad handreader.

Kinda like how this one was played.

[FishSticks]

I don't think this is terrible or anything.

I do think a 16/13 usually will 3bet JJ/TT against a light button opener. Maybe not TT. His preflop range is mostly pairs, maybe some big suited paint. I don't even think he just flats JT that often really.

With the flop lead from this guy, I think you're looking at like AJ/AcTc/AcQc/8c9c/44/TT/JTs/KQs. You're about 55/45 against this range. The donk guy most likely has some sort of draw or a weaker pair than yours. Raising here isn't too bad, but I think calling and looking to jam a safe turn card is a pretty good option.

The turn looks kind of ugly, but is it really? Against that same range above, you're still at like 55/45 equity, and he'll probably bet the turn with all that stuff. If MP had 2pair/set/straight, you'd tend to think they'd raise the turn with the board going to hell. Not sure I want to fold here.

[ikestoys]

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raise flop, you are behind TJ and 44. that is it.

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a 16/13 doesn't necessarily 3bet PF here with JJ and TT

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yes he is