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Old 09-27-2007, 04:29 PM
Tooty816 Tooty816 is offline
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Default TPTK + nut flush draw facing a Strong move BUT I have lag image. WTF

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $328.74
BB: $203.35
UTG: $224.25
MP: $461.35
Hero (CO): $423.52
BTN: $237.75

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $6.00, BB folds

Flop: ($16) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $13.00</font>, SB calls $13.00

Turn: ($42) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $40.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $120.00</font>, Hero?

My stats at the time are like 27/22/4.5, so image is laggy. But villain's stats are 43/11/0.60. He's acting so strong with his low aggression factor. Am I boned?
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Old 09-27-2007, 05:13 PM
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Default Re: TPTK + nut flush draw facing a Strong move BUT I have lag image. WTF

no lag players out there?
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Old 09-27-2007, 05:39 PM
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Default Re: TPTK + nut flush draw facing a Strong move BUT I have lag image. WTF

Good example of why to check the turn.

When I'm running particularly laggy, I find that 90% of the time, this is a huge hand trapping. Dump it.
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Old 09-27-2007, 05:44 PM
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Default Re: TPTK + nut flush draw facing a Strong move BUT I have lag image. W

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Good example of why to check the turn.

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ummm no, you are 100% wrong, etc. etc..

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When I'm running particularly laggy, I find that 90% of the time, this is a huge hand trapping. Dump it.

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no folding, for obv reasons
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Old 09-27-2007, 05:58 PM
Roger Mainfield Roger Mainfield is offline
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Default Re: TPTK + nut flush draw facing a Strong move BUT I have lag image. W

I call, and re-eval on river. Probably calling if he bets around 1/2 pot. I find that bad players tend to overvalue there hands vs lags, so here he will def show up with AJ/A3/A2/33, but also with Ax, and random hands as well.
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Old 09-27-2007, 06:03 PM
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Default Re: TPTK + nut flush draw facing a Strong move BUT I have lag image. W

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Good example of why to check the turn.

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ummm no, you are 100% wrong, etc. etc..



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Why?

I get confused in this spot.

On the one hand: checking the turn.

- We induce a river bluff against hands we beat, but we lose out on value to those Ax hands we beat that would have called the turn and river.

- We keep the pot controlled for those times we're losing.


On the other hand: betting the turn.

- We extract value from Ax hands we beat.

- Although we're sometimes behind, we may hit our nut outs and win a big pot. But, we're not really folding out any better hands -- so we can't call this a semi-bluff.

- We're folding out some hands we beat that might bet the river if we checked the turn.

Anyhow, I'd really appreciate some guidance on this one.
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Old 09-27-2007, 06:06 PM
Roger Mainfield Roger Mainfield is offline
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Default Re: TPTK + nut flush draw facing a Strong move BUT I have lag image. W

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Good example of why to check the turn.

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ummm no, you are 100% wrong, etc. etc...

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Cause a 43/11 villian has a lot of crap aces in his range that will call and not c/r you. As well as a lot of heart draws. Plus he has a lag image meaning he will get called lighter than most...
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Old 09-27-2007, 06:08 PM
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Default Re: TPTK + nut flush draw facing a Strong move BUT I have lag image. W

There is nothing wrong with betting the turn. There's no reason to think we're behind, and to be honest, we don't really want pot control against this guy, we want his money
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Old 09-27-2007, 06:10 PM
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Default Re: TPTK + nut flush draw facing a Strong move BUT I have lag image. W

I understand the whole laggy image thing and reasons for betting turn, but I still think this is a great spot to check behind the turn. and Imagine when that club hits the riv and he has to bet/call for a shitton of money.
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Old 09-27-2007, 06:12 PM
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Default Re: TPTK + nut flush draw facing a Strong move BUT I have lag image. W

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When I'm running particularly laggy, I find that 90% of the time, this is a huge hand trapping. Dump it.

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no folding, for obv reasons

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Including the fact that your club draw is backdoor, with very nice implied odds even when you are behind on the turn.
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