25NL QJs hits flop HARD, but what to do?

friskyfleabag · #1 09-22-2007, 08:42 PM

No stats on villain. After the minraise I'm really unsure of what to do. Shoving just seems like a gross overbet but obviously this maximises fold equity. Raising a good amount eg from $10-$12 leaves us in a sick spot on a blank turn if villain calls. And calling the minraise seems ludicrous given the fact that we're only really behind to a set. What's your play? Obviously we want to get it in on the flop if we can, but is shoving really the best option?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($13.49)
BB ($24.30)
UTG ($16.71)
Hero ($28.32)
CO ($24.96)
Button ($43.96)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, CO calls $1, 3 folds.

Flop: ($2.35) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $1.6, CO raises to $3.2, Hero ?

Nogatsira · #2 09-22-2007, 08:47 PM

I think shoving is the best play. We could use the fold equity cause at this point we only have second pair.
I don't think you'll often see a call if you rereraise. I think you're commited in this hand after you reraise so a blank turn still seems like a shove to me.
You could check, maybe hope to see a free river card.

So yea, I guess shoving right now is best, cause the rest will go in anyhow

Harry Fong · #3 09-22-2007, 08:58 PM

I am counting 14 outs to the best hand IMO, 17 if you think 2p is going to be the best often enough. With two cards to come you are the favourite to take it down.

Shove will get you folding equity but with this many outs i think some passive calling may extract more cash.

Folding equity versus Implied odds, any other suggestions regarding this?

Jago · #4 09-22-2007, 09:51 PM

raise to 9-10, shove turn if called? his minraise makes our action really awkward. shoving is kinda transparent imo

bored · #5 09-22-2007, 10:48 PM

Push

He could have so many hands here that any turn will be hard to play and/or hard to get paid off on.