commerce 9/18 - ugly river in a big pot

[SNOWBALL]

UTG in this hand is slightly above average as far as aggresion for this game. He plays almost every hand preflop (maybe 80%) and usually sees the turn.
MP doesn't understand hand values at all, and will make atrocious, but somewhat unpredictable mistakes preflop and postflop
MP3 seems to know what he's doing in a lot of regards, but plays too many hands, and goes too far with them. He's one of the more aggressive players in the game

2 limpers to me. MP3 raises. I 3 bet black KK in the CO. Limpers call. MP3 calls.

Flop T85 no flush draw.
Checked to me, and I bet. 3 callers.
Turn 9 opening up a flush draw
Checked to me again. I bet. UTG's hand shakes at he puts in the money to call. The 2 other guys call also.
River is a 7, which doesn't complete a flush., but puts 4 to a straight on the board.
UTG leads, MP folds. MP3 thinks for a while, looks disgusted, and then folds. I call.

[Frond]

Dang, so many cards beat you here that I just don't know. I wouldn't fault you for folding this river even though the pot size is good.

[tessarji]

Crying call. You are probably going to lose.

[Fnord]

I feel like I play this hand or some variant of it three times a night.

I've seen enough people good here, I don't think we can fold.

[shane88888]

Hand shaking = UTG has the goods. I'm not sure what the goods are here, but it's certainly better than KK. Maybe QJ, but the hand shaking may be 76.

I'm a showdown wizard and I'd call, but it's probably not the right play.

[James.]

i honestly doubt we're good 1 in 13.

[Hyperrrprank]

Fold it. Calling down is right only if you've seen this guy bet weak hands or make mistakes reading his cards. Getting away from AA and KK when they are certainly beaten is difficult, but well worth the saved bets.

[Yossarian147]

it is super super rare for utg not to have at least 2 pr here live. I'm talking like rare^rare unless you have a specific read.

[fishyak]

Yossarian, the Catch 22 is - this is Commerce.

If I was going to leave in a couple of orbits, I'd fold. Earlier in my session - no wimping out - show me, even if I am destined to die. The next hand value of my call can only be cashed in if I am still around to cash it!

Also, Pavlov said that random reinforcement, i.e. randomly calling/folding in these situations should have the same preventative value as consistently calling which is far more expensive.

[sharpie]

I don't know how he could be bluffing here, he can't really expect 3 opponents to fold on this board. I think the tell on the turn makes it easier to fold, I doubt he's shaking because he's worried about his hand getting outdrawn, and then decides to bluff when it does, seems it's either a monster or he's excited about drawing to something.