NL500: 87 on 876K board against donk

[Janis N.]

NL500, a "buddy" I know from 6max (pretty bad LAG; a losing player) is sitting lonely at a new 6max table, waiting for players. I decide to play him HU. The game just started, I think I raised and he folded a couple of times or maybe he folded to my cbet. No big pots yet.

Villain is SB with $234.
Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and covers.

SB completes, hero checks.

Flop 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($10)

Hero bets $9, SB calls.

Turn K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($28)

Hero bets $27, SB raises to $54 ($166 behind), hero...?

Does it change if villain is no LAG but a loose passive calling station?

[MasterLJ]

No shame in calling here and calling unimproved.

Pushing isn't terrible.

You really have a bunch of options available. Seems a lot like a float that hit which makes me lean towards pushing.

[Vinetou]

This is a push especially against villain you described. Against solid villains, you might just call and call unimproved nonscare card even though I prefer pushing, against this guy, pushing is better because of all the scare cards that can come on the river.

[xSCWx]

Push > Call > Fold IMO.

[Oki-Oki]

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Push > Call > Fold IMO.

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agreed, too many river cards kill action to call here.

[Janis N.]

Yeah, I pushed here, but I was working on incorrect reads. He was buddylisted alright, but he wasn't actually a bad LAG, but a calling stationy LAP so his turn minraise should have raised alarms.

Which means I should have just called the turn raise and check-called river here IMHO.

Against the guy I thought I was playing it's a shove though as he could have just decent top pair or pair+FD both of which he stacks off with.

I think my problem lies in Harrington. Harrington wrote that top pair headsup is like a set in full ring. So I play two pair like ZOMG quads or something, but it's not right.

[Oki-Oki]

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Yeah, I pushed here, but I was working on incorrect reads. He was buddylisted alright, but he wasn't actually a bad LAG, but a calling stationy LAP so his turn minraise should have raised alarms.

Which means I should have just called the turn raise and check-called river here IMHO.

Against the guy I thought I was playing it's a shove though as he could have just decent top pair or pair+FD both of which he stacks off with.

I think my problem lies in Harrington. Harrington wrote that top pair headsup is like a set in full ring. So I play two pair like ZOMG quads or something, but it's not right.

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Pushing here is undoubtedly correct here, thinking otherwise because he beat you once is super results orientated. You are soooooooooooo far ahead of his range and thats all that matters.

[Vinetou]

Harrington is talking about late stages of a tournament, when the blinds kill a postflop game. In cash games, this is usually not the case and top pair can be folded a lot of times. Even against a calling station, you have to move in on the turn. 5,9,10,4, club, all kill the action. You are ahead here a lot of times. Minraise from loose passive players isn't such a big indicator of strength.

[Janis N.]

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Pushing here is undoubtedly correct here, thinking otherwise because he beat you once is super results orientated. You are soooooooooooo far ahead of his range and thats all that matters.

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Even against a calling station, you have to move in on the turn. 5,9,10,4, club, all kill the action. You are ahead here a lot of times. Minraise from loose passive players isn't such a big indicator of strength.

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Perhaps you're right and I'm results oriented (I think you can guess by now I lost the hand, he had K6).

His 6max stats were 52/12/1.1 and he was really bad. It is possible that Kx one pair hands are a lot of his range though I guess; he'd definitely float with overs and may like TPGK enough to minraise turn with it.

How would you play a LAP if you were 100BB deep here? Against a LAG it's still a shove, isn't it?

[Oki-Oki]

I put it in vs all but the tighest opponents. Vs a lag its an easier push than a tag, you get that right?