(NL10) Overpair facing a lot of donk bets

[BotOnTilt]

Villain is unknown, this is the only hand I have on him.


Noble Poker 0.05/0.10, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

saw flop

Button Hero ($11.81)
SB ($9.75)
BB ($12.61)
UTG ($9.90)
UTG+1 ($5.55)
MP MP ($11.29)
MP ($3.93)
CO-1 ($9.90)
CO ($18.98)

Preflop: Hero is on the Button with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, MP calls 0.10, 3 folds, Hero raises to 0.55, 2 folds, MP calls 0.45.

Flop (1.25) J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
MP bets 0.10, Hero raises to 1.40, MP calls 1.30.

Turn (4.05) 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
MP bets 0.10, Hero calls 0.10.

River (4.25) 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
MP moves all-in for 9.24, Hero calls.

His donk-check on the flop lead me to believe he had some help from the flop, but I figure I'm way ahead. I wondering about the turn, my thoughts were that I'd just call it for pot control, since I'm not sure where I am at the hand. Unless he called my raise and flop with 45 / 65 there are no draws. Is this good or bad? I guess it might allow him to try bluff the river, but I figured it he had trips then he'd bet small and I wouldn't be stacked while if I raised turn we'd play for stacks.

The river is easy though, I guess.

[canvasbck]

I like the way you played it, looks a lot like a JTs who was thrilled about his kicker no longer playing. Could be a strangely played JJ, but I just am not feeling that. I liked slowing down on the turn since any J is drawing to two outs.

[Ironic]

When the villain bets 0.10 on the flop you respond with a big raise. The turn is unlikely to help or hinder either of you yet he bets 0.10 again. The only reason why most people would do that is with the expectation you will make another big bet. People generally only act that way when they have a very strong hand they are scared might not pay them off and they try to get tricky... if he just had the jack I believe he would have tried a bigger bet on the flop and be generally more upfront with his cards. And when you only call it he realises his monster isn't getting value and he shoves it all in on the river.

Of course some donkeys will act like the villain here but with tpmk but I think there is less than 50% chance that is the case. Note I am talking with my experience at NL25, I have forgotten largely what NL10 is like.

[canvasbck]

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Of course some donkeys will act like the villain here but with tpmk but I think there is less than 50% chance that is the case. Note I am talking with my experience at NL25, I have forgotten largely what NL10 is like.

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A lot of people compare NL10 online to 1/2NL live. Therefore in my glorious return to online play (I stayed away for a while after UIGEA) I started at NL10. I had been winning at 1/2 and 2/5 live. I must say, the players are BAD at NL10 (small sample).

Edit: I actually came back to NL100 and got my arse handed to me now I'm playing NL10.

[BotOnTilt]

He showed J9o. Kind of a strange line for villain. He was also an unknown so I didn't know what to expect. On the river I thought that with JJ / 7x he'd make a bet I can call. This of course assuming he isn't trying to Zeebo me, but I doubt any unknown who bets minimum on flop & turn thinks about that..

I have to say I'm glad I don't play hands like J9o to raises OOP anymore. It so sucks in hands like these where you make a monster and expect to take the pot or at least split.

[zyrrth]

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A lot of people compare NL10 online to 1/2NL live. Therefore in my glorious return to online play (I stayed away for a while after UIGEA) I started at NL10. I had been winning at 1/2 and 2/5 live. I must say, the players are BAD at NL10 (small sample).

Edit: I actually came back to NL100 and got my arse handed to me now I'm playing NL10.

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Would you say 1/2 live is comparable to 10-25nl? Is live this bad?

[illini43]

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A lot of people compare NL10 online to 1/2NL live. Therefore in my glorious return to online play (I stayed away for a while after UIGEA) I started at NL10. I had been winning at 1/2 and 2/5 live. I must say, the players are BAD at NL10 (small sample).

Edit: I actually came back to NL100 and got my arse handed to me now I'm playing NL10.

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Would you say 1/2 live is comparable to 10-25nl? Is live this bad?

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I have read on here that 25NL online is very similar to 1-2 live.

[canvasbck]

I would have to say that 25NL is comprable to 1-2NL live, some of the underground rooms will run closer to 50NL, but casino 1-2 (lousiana) runs somewhere between 10NL and 25NL.

[Larude]

You were lucky that the donk pushed the river. Preflop is fine , flop is fine, turn you should have raised so that you could play for stacks. Donkey has no JJ, he would have probably raised that pre, only hand that beats you is 7x or 33. If he has 7x his line doesn't make sense; first a blockbet on the flop and then a valuebet on the turn??? He could have just checked and let you bet it, same holds for 33. I mean if he has the nuts and he checks, he know you will bet something... I would take the donkbets in this case for blockbets and raise him again on the turn (if I see small donkbets, I imagine the guy would have checked and imagine what I would have done then). Donkey is a bad player and because he called my raise on the flop I think he will also call a bet on the turn, if I am beat so be it, but more likely I am stacking the donk.

[threads13]

I would put this guy pretty squarely on a weak one-pair type hand or maybe a weak GS. I think since you shouldn't be committed the turn call is fine as you may have just checked it when it got to you. I really don't think this guy has a 7 given the way he played the hand so I like the river call.