QQ preflop

danjohncochane · #1 09-17-2007, 02:17 PM

Original raiser is a mega donk.
Main villian is 21/17/4 over fairly large sample. Pretty solid TAG.
Normally i probably call against this type of player but his small 3bet against the donk makes me believe he has AA/KK, i would have thought he's raise more with AK.
What you think? Am i just being a nit. My image is TAG but ihaven't been 3betting him that often.

Cryptologic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$5
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $1128.75
Button: $500
Hero: $869.25
BB: $753.70

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $10, Button raises to $40, Hero raises to $140, 2 folds, Button raises all-in $500, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $360 returned to Button.

Results:
Final pot: $295

JFsports · #2 09-17-2007, 02:34 PM

I call, I think AK has to be in his pushing range here, which is enough to make this a call, without even including anything else he might shove with
And he's 3-bet a minraise from a donk which means his range is still basically his button opening range at that point. Which should widen ranges accordingly throughout the hand.
Basically a long-winded way to say definitely call [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

silenced · #3 09-17-2007, 02:34 PM

if BTN is observant and thinks you are as well, this will be AK a lottttt. He would know that you recognize he is isolating a donk ip and know that u can 3bet him very light....making his AK far ahead of your range. Calling here is fine, folding is also fine as aa/kk do make up part of his range. This same situation happened to me vs tay and he flipped ak.

silenced · #4 09-17-2007, 02:40 PM

let me add that many solid regs OTB here will flat call with kk/aa a lot to squeeze out more money, making this an even more profitable call

Unknown Soldier · #5 09-17-2007, 02:40 PM

if you can't profitably call this, you need to loosen up

silenced · #6 09-17-2007, 02:41 PM

wow its 4 handed too....snap caaaaaaaa

JKratzer · #7 09-17-2007, 02:42 PM

a 4-bet is mandatory here, the tags range for the small reraise is huge, there is no way you should be narrowing him down to AA/KK/AK at that point. once you 4-bet i think you have to call the push.

FireStorm · #8 09-17-2007, 02:48 PM

Umm, please fold. You've just been 5 bet preflop, in a spot where Button HAS to assume he will be called. If his range consists of AA/KK/AK, this would seemingly be pretty easy.

MatthewRyan · #9 09-17-2007, 02:50 PM

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Umm, please fold. You've just been 5 bet preflop, in a spot where Button HAS to assume he will be called. If his range consists of AA/KK/AK, this would seemingly be pretty easy.

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wrong. You need to be getting all in with QQ preflop for 100bb in almost all cases, especially when you are making a squeeze play

JKratzer · #10 09-17-2007, 02:52 PM

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Umm, please fold. You've just been 5 bet preflop, in a spot where Button HAS to assume he will be called. If his range consists of AA/KK/AK, this would seemingly be pretty easy.

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not sure what you're getting at but if button has AA/KK/AK calling the push is +ev