Two Plus Two Newer Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Newer Archives > PL/NL Texas Hold'em > Small Stakes
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-14-2007, 04:18 AM
pdoran10 pdoran10 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Minneapolis, MN, U.S.
Posts: 2,681
Default 200 NL | Rate this bluff (and my line)

Villain in this hand is standard TAG, 18/15, very aggro on the flop. Total AF of 4, flop AF is 8. We havent really got involved in any meaningful hands yet. He should view me as a standardish TAG, nothing out of line yet. Whats ur guys thoughts on this river bet? Anyone like taking a different line on any street vs this villain? I was thinking about betting the turn, not sure why i didnt in hindsight as it has its merits but it would suck to get shoved on. I think the line I took might be a reasonable line but id like to hear what people think about a possible flop 3 bet, or turn bet.

I would also like to mention that the pot is like 115 after the rake on the river [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].
lol multiple questions.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $239.00
BB: $200.00
Hero (UTG): $218.65
BTN: $197.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $8.00</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $7.00, BB folds

Flop: ($18) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $13.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $52.00</font>, Hero calls $39.00

Turn: ($122) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($122) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $70.00</font>
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 09-14-2007, 04:22 AM
keikiwai keikiwai is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Hi. My name is Rosa Kato <3
Posts: 19,541
Default Re: 200 NL | Rate this bluff (and my line)

0
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-14-2007, 04:22 AM
pdoran10 pdoran10 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Minneapolis, MN, U.S.
Posts: 2,681
Default Re: 200 NL | Rate this bluff (and my line)

[ QUOTE ]
0

[/ QUOTE ]
trolling all my posts today?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-14-2007, 04:25 AM
Rollos Rollos is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 531
Default Re: 200 NL | Rate this bluff (and my line)

I would just push the flop if he has been that aggressive. As played river bet is probably marginally profitable.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-14-2007, 04:27 AM
keikiwai keikiwai is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Hi. My name is Rosa Kato <3
Posts: 19,541
Default Re: 200 NL | Rate this bluff (and my line)

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
0

[/ QUOTE ]
trolling all my posts today?

[/ QUOTE ]

no, i'm not trolling

your pfr, your cbet gets cred, you call w/?

over card comes, which incidentally completes an OESD... but don't think that matters too much.... you check behind....

river blanks and you bet weak

you represent a badly played AK?

so you fold out worse Ace highs

not much else
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-14-2007, 04:31 AM
FoldEqu1ty FoldEqu1ty is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Guser
Posts: 2,630
Default Re: 200 NL | Rate this bluff (and my line)

Too many variables involved in your line here imo. He needs to:
[x] Not bet either the turn or river
[x] Not hit his hand

This looks good in this instance, but you were treated to some friendly cards and action. I think either pushing the flop or just folding is best here.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 09-14-2007, 04:32 AM
pdoran10 pdoran10 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Minneapolis, MN, U.S.
Posts: 2,681
Default Re: 200 NL | Rate this bluff (and my line)

whats ur thoughts on a good line kei? i kind of think -

shoving the flop&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;betting the turn&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;playing it how i did&gt; giving up after calling the flop raise in hindsight.

not really sure if betting the turn or 3 bet shoving are correct and if so which is better, given reads. both seem kinda spewy.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 09-14-2007, 04:36 AM
keikiwai keikiwai is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Hi. My name is Rosa Kato <3
Posts: 19,541
Default Re: 200 NL | Rate this bluff (and my line)

i'd either raise the flop ai if i think he ever folds

i'd fold pretty often

you can effectively shove turn by betting $100 or something... obv. calling a push.... if you think he's playing back at you he's gonna fold the turn a lot
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 09-14-2007, 04:37 AM
FoldEqu1ty FoldEqu1ty is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Guser
Posts: 2,630
Default Re: 200 NL | Rate this bluff (and my line)

Yeah I think you're really underrating a poor old fold there imo.

If he's a really thinking player, I think a flop minraise might have a lot of merit also for scaring the absolute crap out of him.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 09-14-2007, 04:39 AM
pdoran10 pdoran10 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Minneapolis, MN, U.S.
Posts: 2,681
Default Re: 200 NL | Rate this bluff (and my line)

i really hate folding to the c/r here, as i have very good equity against any hand he would make a bluff with, and i am very likely to stack him if i hit and he isnt bluffing. aka,i think he is almost always very strong or very weak with his c/r. i guess my thought for folding might be that we cant determine an optimal line if we dont know if he has a very strong or very weak hand but i hate folding draws with reasonable amounts of outs to a flop raise with plenty of money behind.

could be a leak in spots like this
(lol ive edited this like 4 times)
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:18 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.