Double Gutshot Facing Flop Raise (50NL)

mdm13 · #1 09-14-2007, 01:00 PM

So I had this hand against a presumed 2+2er last night, and I got berated for making this flop call and was told to go post this hand here so you guys could tell me how stupid I am. So go ahead!

Villain is 18/15/4 over 90 hands, when I had this hand i had slightly different stats but I don't remember what they were at. I should appear as a 21/18/3.5 to him. I was aware that I wasn't getting great direct odds but I thought with ~110BB behind I'm getting some pretty good implied odds even if some of my outs complete the flush (and he might just call my bet with a flush draw) and even if I hit my hand some hands in his range could have a redraw to beat me. This may be somewhat -EV but it unintentionally ended up being like the hand in NLHTAP where he talks about making small mistakes and getting berated for being a chaser and whatnot. But anyhow go ahead and tell me how bad I am.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($69.30)
BB ($33.40)
UTG ($50)
Hero ($68.80)
CO ($96.40)
Button ($45.15)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, SB calls $1.50, 1 fold.

Flop: ($4) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.5, SB raises to $12, Hero calls $8.50.

TheRenaissance · #2 09-14-2007, 01:18 PM

I dont think your implied odds are all that great.

Villain might have a set, a small/medium pair or a flushdraw. A big pair is unlikely given preflop - which would be the best case scenario for you. If he has a set he wont give a free card on the turn, and when you hit he has a redraw. Small/medium pairs wont give you more action if you call or reraise. And flushdraws will only give you more action when they hit.

So yeah, fold flop unless you have a real read that says he likes to c/r bluff.

pr0crast · #3 09-14-2007, 01:40 PM

fold flop, you probably have dirty outs anyways

shoxbb6 · #4 09-14-2007, 01:41 PM

Don't mind if you include diamonds in your number of outs.

jonni999 · #5 09-14-2007, 02:02 PM

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fold flop, you probably have dirty outs anyways

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+1

clowntable · #6 09-14-2007, 03:27 PM

I was at the table, amirite?
(and no I didn't berate you and thought the guy that berated you was rather bad + moranic)