another stupid 25 50 spot

[cameronbarry]

villian is P2K, and is obviously very good blah ...

what the f is my plan in this hand. i have been playing very snug for a few hours, and P2K knows this, and he probably knows i'm not raising lightly out of the SB with two limpers, so it wouldn't be a stretch for him to put me on exactly the hand i have.

rStars Game #12003233598: Hold'em No Limit ($25/$50) - 2007/09/11 - 18:05:17 (ET)
Table 'Sculptor V' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: tcoach ($7069 in chips)
Seat 4: play2kill ($10813 in chips)
Seat 5: tsifknits ($7449 in chips)
Seat 6: Eeedz ($10288 in chips)
Seat 8: captZEEbo ($5222 in chips)
Seat 9: H@££INGGOL ($6338 in chips)
tsifknits: posts small blind $25
Eeedz: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tsifknits [Ad Ah]
captZEEbo: folds
H@££INGGOL has timed out
H@££INGGOL: folds
H@££INGGOL is sitting out
tcoach: calls $50
H@££INGGOL has returned
play2kill: calls $50
tsifknits: raises $200 to $250
Eeedz: folds
tcoach: calls $200
play2kill: calls $200
*** FLOP *** [2s 5c 6h]
tsifknits: bets $550
tcoach: folds
play2kill: raises $1000 to $1550 ........

check call??? bet call ? his button limp behind range is probably quite wide so i wouldn't discredit 56 and 34, of course not leaving out 22 55 and 66.

thanks

[snagglepuss]

call?

so whats the turn?

[cameronbarry]

i guess i'm a nit cuz there wasn't a turn. he knows i have a huge pair, the real question is does he expect me to fold it.

i doubt it, but i'm here to learn so again correct me if i'm wrong. so let's say i bet call what's my plan for the turn, check fold facing another bet? i absolutely hate calling a raise with the intention of folding to more heat.

[king_of_drafts]

I'd fold I guess, pretty gross

[Micturition Man]

Another one of those game theory versus practice spots.

Theoretically you definitely can't fold here. In practice I would think a call is actually +EV against very few Stars 25/50 players.

[Kirkrrr]

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Another one of those game theory versus practice spots.

Theoretically you definitely can't fold here. In practice I would think a call is actually +EV against very few Stars 25/50 players.

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If it's +EV I very seriously doubt it's +EV by very much because it's just such a sick spot, but it will jack up your variance hundred-fold which is never a good thing... if you call the flop you pretty much have to go into check-call mode as a good player won't simply go away and will probably continue putting pressure on you, and then you find yourself calling off 150BB's having no clue where you're at on hope... I just don't like it, I'd probably fold.

Kirk

[cameronbarry]

phew .. i was beginning to think i played this too weakly. the problem i have with flat calling and going into check call mode, is that between the times that he three barrels and i muck and the times he actually has a hand this has got to be a losing play.

check calling down a player like this lightly in the hopes that he's bluffing and will slow down and/or doesn't have a real hand just seems awful.

[Chaoslord]

i think this is very close and the fact that you are out of position makes this a fold, u have no option to control the potsize hes gonna put as much money in as he wants and your hand is as you said face up.

[Apathy]

Wow everyone actually folds this?

I dont really play on stars much but 6 handed when you hold the best possible hand you can have on this flop you fold to one raise? It seems weird/wrong. I just can't believe the games are this passive.

[bigt439]

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Wow everyone actually folds this?

I dont really play on stars much but 6 handed when you hold the best possible hand you can have on this flop you fold to one raise? It seems weird/wrong. I just can't believe the games are this passive.

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i totally get what your saying, but what do you want to do, check fold the turn when he bets over 80% of the time? i think this is one of those spots that you can allow yourself to get owned sometimes and chalk it up to position. i dont even think we're great against his range if calling the extra $1000 put us allin so not continuing with money behind cant be that bad. i think we're ahead of his flop raising range here but not enough to keep going oop; i fold.