question about SAGE HEADS UP

mr_tea · #1 09-08-2007, 10:11 PM

Hey guys, for those who follow the Sage system. How do you guys play hands when it's over the 7 ratio, but under 10 X BB ratio.

Also, when you calculate your Power Index and it say, you shoudln't Jam in the SB. does that mean i should just fold the hand? (i find we're giving away a lot of chips here a lot of the time)

If followed correctly what should win % should i expect at say the 16$ turbo at Stars.

BradleyT · #2 09-08-2007, 10:20 PM

I'd use the tables in the SnGPT tutorial over SAGE for HU play.

Powers_That_Be · #3 09-08-2007, 10:48 PM

sage only works for 7BB's and less. Yes not jamming is folding. Sage is based on unexploitable play. So, if you were playing the 1000's or the 16's when you or your opponent have 7bb's or less you will win no less that the ratio of your stack to theres. In other words. you have 5000 chips, they have 1000. BB is 200. You should be no worse than a 5:1 favorite.

The table in SnGPT is based on the same ideas as SAGE, only it extends it beyond the 7BB limit

mr_tea · #4 09-09-2007, 12:19 AM

is the tutorial free? i went on the page, n i didn't see it anywhere? I don't want to pay for another ICM software [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] is there any alternatives.

BradleyT · #5 09-09-2007, 01:04 AM

It only comes with the paid version.

SnGPT recommends pushing some suited connectors and gappers that sage misses such as R=5 and 74s is a push although it only totals 20 SAGE points or T4s being a call although it's 26 SAGE points. If you put most of those suited hands in SnGPT they're between 0.0% and 0.1%. So SAGE is prolly good enough for most and you should be mixing it up depending on your opponent anyway.

jukofyork · #6 09-09-2007, 01:28 AM

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The table in SnGPT is based on the same ideas as SAGE, only it extends it beyond the 7BB limit

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The "The SAGE Table" in the original CardPlayer article goes upto 8BB effective stacks (you have to first subtract the big blind to compute your effective R - IIRC, you don't subtract it for the SNGPT tables).

Juk [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

rakemeplz · #7 09-09-2007, 01:39 AM

Dont have much to say, but IIRC SAGE doesn't consider the connectedness of your cards, so it undervalues suited connecters/connecters a fair bit, so you'd want to adjust a bit like it does for flushes.

Powers_That_Be · #8 09-09-2007, 07:30 AM

Another alternative to the the tutorial, albeit not much less expensive is Curtain's Chart

http://www.donkit.com/product/curtainschart.html

And for a free alternative here is the info the curtains chart is based on if you feel up to some math

http://www2.decf.berkeley.edu/~chubukov/rankings.html

IFoldPktOnes · #9 09-09-2007, 10:29 AM

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is the tutorial free? i went on the page, n i didn't see it anywhere? I don't want to pay for another ICM software [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] is there any alternatives.

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I was happy to find a similar table in the book "The mathematics of poker". [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]