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Old 09-08-2007, 05:26 PM
BarryLyndon BarryLyndon is offline
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Default 3-bet for value + some FE

Opponent is Jimmy the Hat, who is pretty solid regular who has been reasonable active from late position.

Table has been very tight with respect to raises. In fact, I think I'm the only player who knows what a 3-bet is (honestly, this table was [censored]):

Given my stack, does he do this with KJ/KQ/K10/connectors enough so my push can be done for value? does he ever fold here?
Full Tilt Poker Game #3501541729: $15,000 Guarantee (25996133), Table 35 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:11:39 ET - 2007/09/08
Seat 1: carmelo123 (4,700)
Seat 2: Hero(1,350)
Seat 3: teach69 (5,460)
Seat 4: Aiiikon (3,420)
Seat 5: BeanzMcGriff (4,825)
Seat 6: interboro (5,096)
Seat 7: flat_call (11,861)
Seat 8: kidwhowon (4,010)
Seat 9: JimmytheHat19 (2,860)

Hero [QQ < 66 on a 9 7 4 flop] posts the small blind of 60
teach69 posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [9s Ah]
Aiiikon folds
BeanzMcGriff folds
interboro folds
flat_call folds
kidwhowon folds
JimmytheHat19 raises to 420
carmelo123 has 15 seconds left to act
carmelo123 folds
Hero raises to 1,350, and is all in
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Old 09-08-2007, 05:40 PM
4CardStraight 4CardStraight is offline
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Default Re: 3-bet for value + some FE

Well. In general this is an ok play, I would push here to a 360 bet.

I dont 3bet wide against someone that types in "4:20".

First, I dont make plays on that particular bet size. I celebrate 4:20 myself on occasion, and have sometimes bet 420 against known stoners to signify to them that they should really think about things before calling this bet.

Sure there can be some metagame involved, bluffing with a 420 bet etc... but in general, I think 420 bets are more often the goods than not.

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Old 09-08-2007, 05:44 PM
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Default Re: 3-bet for value + some FE

Does he usually raise to 3.5x the bb?

Either way I would think if he's raising into your sb for that amount, with your stack he's ready to call a shove from you.
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Old 09-08-2007, 05:45 PM
BarryLyndon BarryLyndon is offline
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Default Re: 3-bet for value + some FE

This is cute, 4card, however:

1. Smokers bet 420,3.5xBB, and actually do think about their hands. I have evidence in my HH. I also have the Lights, so, muahahahaha.

2. actually a serious question.
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Old 09-08-2007, 09:56 PM
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Default Re: 3-bet for value + some FE

definitely wondering about the 3.5x bet size. If it was his common raise then shove away. If not common, then what does it signify? Probably a weakish pocket pair that he doesn want to play preflop, in which case your A9 may be in the race you are happy to see right now. Or if he just isn't comfortable preflop, I've seen people do this with PPs as high as KK. I'd say the answer to our question lies in the significance of the bet size. Remember enough about your vilian to get any read off of the 3.5x raise?
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Old 09-08-2007, 10:07 PM
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Default Re: 3-bet for value + some FE

i would want to be a bit stronger.
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Old 09-08-2007, 10:34 PM
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Default Re: 3-bet for value + some FE

You've rarely got fold equity here, so this is only good if you think you have decent equity counting whats in the pot vs his range.
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Old 09-09-2007, 09:32 AM
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Default Re: 3-bet for value + some FE

there is a betpot btn on ftp, potbet would be 420, or am i being leveled...


against an aggro lp raiser i would get it in here
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Old 09-09-2007, 10:03 AM
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Default Re: 3-bet for value + some FE

A9 is easily dominated... I wouldn't be pushing here
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Old 09-09-2007, 10:51 AM
HojoMofo HojoMofo is offline
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Default Re: 3-bet for value + some FE

no fold equity+solid reg = fold in my books, he might be raising with KQ-KJ, but the blinds arent big enough for him to be raising with worse hands than that, and most of his range has you beat/flipping.
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