Spot vs Apestyles in Bodog 200

[Bond18]

Early goings. Not sure if ape knows its me as my name is a little different there.

I hold 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in MP1
Blinds 10/20

Preflop: Folds to hero, hero raises to 70, folds to Ape on button, Ape calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (pot 280)
SB checks, BB checks, hero bets 200, ape raises to 580, SB folds, BB folds, hero folds.

Good/bad why?

[Thegunshow]

seems like not much can be done except maybe save a few chips with a slightly smaller flop bet? Looks like a win a little/ lose a lot kinda hand

[jcm4ccc]

obviously you had to bet the flop. You can't call the flop raise because there are about 20 cards on the turn that you would hate to see, and your hand is never getting better. So it's fold or reraise (push, perhaps, given the stack sizes).

There are so many potential draws on this board -- I would say that you are almost certainly ahead, and a reraise is the way to go.

it's a very good board for ape to put some pressure on you, which is what he seems to be doing.

[d2themfi]

I def like a fold here. I think he shows up with a flush a lot and a set sometimes too. And even when he has a set he has decent equity against you. Iff your unknown, raise pot pre, then cbet into 3 other people on an extrmely dangerous board, hes gotta give you a lotta credit, which makes his hand even stronger. I def like a fold

[djk123]

i think it stinks

[Todd Terry]

I've never played on Bodog, I don't know how deep you are, but unless it's a massive overbet, I jam here.

I think you're ahead of or close to even with most hands in his range, which include 2 pair, possibly sets, the K of hearts, the A of hearts, the 9 of hearts, and behind only AK (which I'd think would be more likely to 3bet pre) and a flush (which falls under the category, oh well, what're you gonna do?). With this flushing 3-straight 3-big cards board, your shove is going to get much less respect than it otherwise would and I think you'll get calls from a lot of the hands you are beating or racing with.

[shaundeeb]

yah folding sooo bad here, action needs to be much stronger for me to find a fold.

[d2themfi]

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i think it stinks

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What hand range can we put on ape, for raising our cbet into 3 people this deep? I dont think ape would raise a naked flush draw on this board. I think we are almost always looking at made hands, none of which include two pair hands. Its possible he CC with AK here as well and has the nut straight.

[djk123]

set, AhQx,AhJx,KhQx,QJs

[gobboboy]

Standard.