Probably simple spot

[timex]

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $5/$10 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $1,174.00
BB: $603.80
UTG: $1,015.00
MP: $790.00
Hero (CO): $985.00
BTN: $300.44

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $35.00</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $30.00, BB folds

Flop: ($80) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $60.00</font>, SB calls $60.00

Turn: ($200) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $140.00</font>, SB calls $140.00

River: ($480) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets all-in for $939.00</font>, Hero folds

Pot Size: $1,419.00

Have never played with the villain before, wondering primarily:

1) Do you bet turn?
2) Do you bet river if checked to?
3) Whats your river calling range?

[catcher193]

yes/yes/8x+

[ocklind]

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yes/yes/8x+

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[Trivial]

i don't know what i'd do but im pretty sure AQ = 8x here

[timex]

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i don't know what i'd do but im pretty sure AQ = 8x here

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It makes him much less likely to have a bigger 8 if you have 8x

[Bullitos]

Without any agressive history I like to check this turn.

River is also a fold without reads. If he makes moves like this regularly you'll pick it up soon enough and stack him.

[jlocdog]

AQ does not = 8x as far as I'm concerned. QJ = 8x maybe.

I think he shows up with T9 way more often then does 8x anyways. Board seems thin for him to run a lead shove bluff on you and expect it to work a decent amount of time with the strength you have shown. Fold.

[timex]

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AQ does not = 8x as far as I'm concerned. QJ = 8x maybe.

I think he shows up with T9 way more often then does 8x anyways. Board seems thin for him to run a lead shove bluff on you and expect it to work a decent amount of time with the strength you have shown. Fold.

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Not trying to call with AQ here, I just think he has T9 here often enough, given the flop call, that I think checking behind turn &gt; calling river.

[jlocdog]

But I can't put him on T9 comfortably UNTIL the river. So checking the turn loses alot of value from Qx,Jx,and 8x.

Also,if I checked the turn I would want to call river more often because our line allows him to bluff with a wider range of hands and value bet thinner because of this (given that we are taking a classic pot control line). The turn was played perfectly as far as I'm concerned.

[Trix]

I think he is unlikely to make a mistake if you bet the turn and you may get bluffraised, so I check to induce a bluff or a check-call on the river. It also helps balancing so all your checks aren´t weak hands.