KK: call down my overpair 3 streets against donk?

tbaarslag · #1 09-03-2007, 05:50 PM

Villain 30/19/4(100). His other stats looked okay.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed)

Hero ($108.00)
MP ($74.36)
Button ($144.40)
SB ($295.57)
BB ($112.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $3.5, 2 folds, SB calls $3, 1 fold.

Flop: ($8) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $8, Hero calls $8.

Turn: ($24) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $24, Hero calls $24.

River: ($72) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $72, Hero calls $72.

Final Pot: $216

Almost folded river. God I was lost here. Thoughts?

PartysOver · #2 09-03-2007, 05:52 PM

raise flop to $22 for starters

tbaarslag · #3 09-03-2007, 05:56 PM

Wouldn't that fold out most of the hand I am beating here?

The flop is superdry, why not give him a chance to bet his AT/etc again?

Womble · #4 09-03-2007, 05:59 PM

Seems std. I dont raise this flop here since board is too dry

TimberBee · #5 09-03-2007, 06:49 PM

I like a riverfold actually. What hand is potting this river for value, that you beat? I'd say he's got a strong hand here very often, and the only draw got there on the turn. also, he should really easily put you on an overpair given your action.

I don't think a two pair hand(Tx, 7x) is doing this too often. If you beat something, it's a complete 3-barrel sick bluff, and how often does that happen?

However, I see he has very LAG'y stats... Still like a fold better on the river, really.

peking · #6 09-03-2007, 07:29 PM

I play it the same as OP. My guess is he had AT and put you probably on a big Ace. After you called his potbet on turn he knew he was behind and turned his hand into a total bluff, hoping you would fold your overpair when the board paired.

orange · #7 09-03-2007, 07:38 PM

i play the same.

cs3 · #8 09-03-2007, 09:32 PM

what makes you think this guys is a donk? you only have 100 hans on him and his stats dont look too out of line.

anyway river is a fold.
flop and turn are good/standard.

the only draw hit, and he cant value bet any worse hands on that board. and im never giving a basically unkwon player credit for potting three streets into the PFR with complete air.

cs3 · #9 09-03-2007, 09:35 PM

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My guess is he had AT and put you probably on a big Ace. After you called his potbet on turn he knew he was behind and turned his hand into a total bluff, hoping you would fold your overpair when the board paired.

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no, this doesnt happen at 100 NL. why the hell would he purposely turn AT into a bluff? sometimes (read: almost never) villain is value betting a T here, but he's never intentionally trying to get you to fold AA for ex.
The board pairing the J changes absolutely nothing in this hand

tarheeljks · #10 09-03-2007, 10:00 PM

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what makes you think this guys is a donk? you only have 100 hands on him and his stats dont look too out of line.

anyway river is a fold.
flop and turn are good/standard.

the only draw hit, and he cant value bet any worse hands on that board. and im never giving a basically unkwon player credit for potting three streets into the PFR with complete air.

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i agree; i think you need evidence of him being spewy, not just a donk, to call the river.